Can't see Hearns doing it I'm afraid McDogg, and I'm a big fan of Tommys. Jones will be able to get off first consistently
None of those guys possessed the handspeed, reflexes or natural ability Jones had. Plus, the Duran fight was at 154 not 160. Not to mention Duran won his first title as a lightweight and Tommy as a welterweight. Roy's first title was at middleweight...outside of the reach and height difference Roy woould have been the bigger guy at that time.
you brought up the ludicrous notion of Hearns not having a big right hand above 147, I didn't. 154 is above 147 last I checked. Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard and Carlos Palomino, annihlated Davey Moore, gave Marvin Hagler a tight argument and as an old man beat Iran Barkley... it's ridiculous revisionism to dismiss his credentials above lightweight... Blasting him out in two rounds was an astonishing achievement, duplicated by no one... It took William Joppy 3 rounds to stop Duran 100 years later when my sister probably could have gotten a decision off of him... It's (Hearns's KO) one of the most impressive KOs ever... dismissing it as "well, he was originally a lightweight" is just dumb, frankly. How exactly do you envision this fight? Jones doing what? Because his style is not a good fit for Hearns... He would have to take chances... Hearns was a gorgeous boxer, superb jab and you had to respect his power, it was imperative... unless your premise is that Jones lands some leaping left hook producing an immediate KO, I don't see what else there is... you can't pot shot a guy who won't give chase, a guy who knows he's got 3 or 4 inches on you and can stick that jab out all night... and Jones would never under any circumstance initiate a brawl or an inside fight... Ray Leonard and Wilfred Benitez had to abandon boxing against Tommy and try to chop him down, I don't see why it would be any different for Roy... Benitez just could not do it, he wasn't tough enough to go for broke, he tried to be aggressive but he couldn't cut loose... Leonard had to go through hell, Hagler had to as well... it's not just about talent, it is about skill and tools, strategy... if boxing matches were decided solely by unorthodox physical talent, Naseem Hamed and Roy Jones both would have won every fight in a few rounds... there's more to it than that
I don't personally favor those guys against Jones. However each of them have at the very least a 50/50 shot. (all for different reasons obviously) Jones-Monzon would be a bore though and have to be repeated because of controversial scoring no matter who got the verdict.
Hop wanted Jones to move down to 168 and only have Jones' titles on the line. I think Roy was well within his rights to demand more money.
I have Duran as top five all-time therefore I don't count the KO loss to Hearns against him. Again, you're still not addressing the point about the skill set Jones possessed vs those of the guys you've picked to beat him. I can see Jones losing fights in his prime to guys at 175 like Foster and Spinks. Those guys were in their prime at the best weightclass. I wouldn't say the same about Hearns which is the point I made. Now...getting back to what I've actually said...Hagler I can maybe see beating Jones. Monzon, no. Too slow, couldn't deal with the speed. Hearns I simply don't see it. Not that Hearns, not at that weight. Thomas never had problems with orthodoz boxers because he could figure them out...knew the proper counters how to offset etc. You're under the guise Jones only knew one way to fight. My point is Jones could box, he could upset your timing and he was awkward in the sense he was difficult to time and hit. That would give Tommy fits. As well as Tommy landed his right hand I think he has an extremely difficult time landing it flush on Roy. You're acting as though the only choice Roy would have is to either walk straight in like Hagler or jumo in hooks and look to win that way...neither of which is what I said.
Hearns was never beaten outside but neither was prime Jones, in fact neither was even close of getting beat that way. So something unusual would happen, and at middleweight (and above of course) I'd pick Jones
Roy Jones would have FUCKED HEARNS UP. Jones punched much harder than Hagler (or Leonard) and was at least as fast as hearns (I'm being kind here)...and more elusive than Tommy, with greater stamina. Hagler simply could not have beaten Jones. Beating Roldan, Sibson, Minter...means nothing compared to beating a large middleweight with tremndous handspeed, movement and one punch power. Monzon...too slow for Jones.
Cdogg.. James Toney would have beaten Sibson, Minter, Hamsho, Lee, Watts, Monroe, Antuofermo. Hearns too. Have no doubts. Jones was just a special fighter.
agREED. Jones would have his hands full against each of these fighters and each of them could beat him. Jones was a very gifted fighter, but his fans get way too carried away at times.
I'm not so sure. Tommys one of my favorite fighters but I think Jones might be a bridge too far. I can't envision it ending well for Hearns. I'd say Roy by ko. I've always thought Hagler gives Roy a tough fight though. Even money fight in my opinion.
Outside of Hopkins, who was stylistically ideal for him, how exactly does Jones' middlewieght comp measure up next to Hagler's? It's a two-way street... Decisioning Bernard Hopkins in one of the most boring fights in human history and beating the likes of Thomas Tate, Glenn Thomas and Sugarboy Malinga isn't exactly comparable to being in the ring with Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Yeah, because he had such an easy time beating guys like Dave Tiberi and Reggie Johnson Holy fuck Toney is overrated around here... Johnson and Tiberi both deserved the decisions against him He has been cited by you and by others as an all-time VERSATILE fighter which is astoundingly stupid... Toney was always a counterpuncher who had enormous difficulty when forced to be aggressive... Everytime a good fighter stuck a jab in his face and/or used their legs, Toney either lost, should have lost (Johnson) or looked HORRIBLE squeaking by with a win... This theme is replayed throughout his career... ONE TIME, he managed to catch a guy like that (Nunn) in his 80 fights LMAO at you putting Caveman Lee in there, as if people use that win to brag about Hagler... it was a soft vacation defense for Hagler... Toney would a shitload of trouble against Minter (a classic jab/move guy whom you mistakenly referred to as a brawler, I've not forgotten that) ... he obviously would have had enormous difficulty against Hearns due to a horrible stylistic matchup... Watts, who was a skillful cutie and every bit as good a boxer as Reggie Johnson, would have also presented enormous challenges... Antuofermo was never dealt with easily by anyone at his peak, including middleweights beter than TOney's opponents, and one middleweight named Marvin who was clearly superior to Toney... Toney doesn't have an easy time with Hamsho, either... Roldan is made for Toney James Toney was nothing remotely close to a dominant champion, he was nothing even approaching the word "versatile" and he never had a single one-sided victory over a quality fighter The guy was an outstanding counterpuncher and durable as hell with cute moves (against the right type of style) but his status as this living fucking legend around here is sickening, apparently people forgot what the story was back in 1991-1994 and the oceans of fat, slovenly laziness that followed (not to mention two losses to Montell Griffin who, surprise!, was a counterpuncher)
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Duran would rocket sperm into Roy's mouth and have Roy tell his friends it was sweet in his most country accent
That Roy had peaked by about 1994? Or that Hopkins was significantly better by 99/00 than he was in 93? Which part of the above do you actually disagree with.
