How hard can Floyd punch?

I do know this much......Pryor brutalizes Floyd.

 

He'd definitely outwork Floyd. Floyd would land everything and couldn't deter Pryor.

Simply too many punches and too good of a chin.

"Give me the bottle...no no...the one that I mix."

 

Yep, someone else who has a clue about Trinidad :kidcool:

Let him set his feet, and yeah he'd look like a machine, but pop a jab in his face and meander around the ring and he looks like a fucking bum.

Although Musze, if by steal a win, you mean win every round easily, then yep, I agree.

 

Musze's post makes sense. Yours sounded like a pimply faced 15 year old kid. Like Jaws infact. Bravo for you.

 

Just because you're a fan of the leaden footed retard, don't let that cloud your judgement.

What I'm saying isn't remotely unreasonable or unfeasible.

Oscar won 9 rounds with some basic stick and move boxing, Hopkins and Winky both won every round against Tito, every single round.

And yet you don't think Floyd would do the same?

It wouldn't even be a fight. Floyd would win every minute of every round, and I don't even like Floyd. It would look like a carbon copy of his fight against Corrales, but Tito wouldn't be stopped, as he is bigger than Floyd, and has a decent chin.

 

This is exactly what Im talking about. Grow up.

No. What I am argunig against is your notion that Floyd wouldn't lose 30 seconds of ANY round against one of the 20 or so best welterweights of all-time, simply because of how a has-been, middleweight version of Cheato did against two tricky cunt 160 pounders.

Floyd hasn't done that to ANY fighter in years, let alone an ATG welterweight like Trinidad.

 

And one-eyed Reid was making a fool of him till he walked into a biggie.

 

Oscar, Bernard, and Wright are all much bigger and stronger than little Floyd. I can't see Floyd withstanding the pressure and power of Trinidad for 12 rounds. The little cunt would not have the balls to even step in there with Trinidad.

 

Yeah, Reid got his career basically ended from that systematic beating he took.

 

Exactly Tam! F*ck Floyd! He'd have no chance against Trinidad. He's never felt the kind of power Trinidad brings. Even those shots hitting Floyd's guard and elbows would hurt like hell.

 

Even at that, Trinidad didn't KO him.

Reid made a moron of Tito in the first 4 rounds.

Johnnie Whitehead used to be on here telling anyone who would listen that Tito's left would drop any middleweight champ, of any era.

:boohoo:

 

Please don't agree with me, because your expansion of my point isn't the same thing at all.

 

That's why we have 12 round fights, Irish! :laughing: Anybody can look good for 4 rounds. After those 4 rounds were over with, the destruction of Reid began! And he's never recovered since!

 

You are my man!!!!! :kidcool: You're one of the few guys I love and respect on here!
:bears:

 

You are missing the point, somewhat. I am saying a fighter with 2 eyes could have kept it up for a lot longer...like Winky did.

 

It'll be so funny once Fraudweather is buried in the ring! Most Fightbeaters will then shift over to the Chad Dawson or Andre Ward bandwagons.:laughing:

 

Grow up? Why? It's a message board, not a business meeting. Chill.

I've got my work time and I've got my message time. After some very taxing computer science, I like to come on fightbeat for a bit, chill out, argue with Kenneth etc. :kidcool:

And I'm sure you know Tam, I don't like Floyd. At all. I'm just calling things as I see them.

Tito was incredibly overrated, and while I agree that Floyd hasn't been as dominant at 147, Tito is seriously made to order for Floyd.

The patient 1 dimensional, leaden footed puncher would be potshotted senseless.

I'm not saying he wouldn't win a round to be childish, or because I'm a big fan of Floyd, or to rile people - I'm saying it because that's what I believe. I truly don't think Tito would have won a round.

 

Your pussy hero Fraudweather didn't exactly jump at the chance of fighting Winky either did he? Winky at his best is a formidable talent. But then again, I'm just not sure he fought the absolute best version of Trinidad. Just my opinion.

 

As you know, I know Floyd has a lack of balls, that's one of the reasons I dislike him.

The thing is, he wouldn't even need balls against Tito, honestly, he would barely get hit.

 

I don't think you can gauge anything based off Tito/Winky. Winky is MUCH BIGGER than Fraudweather. Just a physically stronger man! And Fraudweather wanted nothing to do with him.

 

Who's the Whitehead?

 

A boxing journalist of note who used to post at secondsout.com.

 

I'm finding the assesment of Tito mildly ironic in the context of most of these threads.

What Tito did was go up in weight & as he did so, he took on the best fighters available.
For me, Tito was a great fighter. He may not have had the skill of SRL, but he had heart, took on everybody always came to fight, and always (with the arguable exception of the Wright fight, I guess), fought to win.

Most were saying he was an OTG before Hopkins.
He was picked by the overwhelming majority here to beat Hopkins. Especially after he destroyed Joppy.

At the lower weights he was an excellent boxer-puncher, but as he was K.O'ing guys, became too much in love with his power as he moved up.
Ironically as he went up in weight the power that he was becoming increasingly reliant on, became less of an advantage.

At lower weights, where his power was exceptional, he may of been out-slicked, but he eventually caught you, and when he did the opponents usually succumbed or in the case of DLH ran for his life.
At higher weights his power did not afford the same respect.

So, when talking about Tito's chances at lower weights it can be misleading to draw on his record at higher weights, because the trump card (two fisted power), wasn't there as much.
Also we only have this insight in the first place because as he went up in weight he fought the BEST available opposition.

It goes to show that as a fighter goes up in weight, if he fights the best available opposition, a seemingly invincible guy may prove to only be human after all, & that Hypothetical resumes don't count for anything.

 

Good posting, mate.

 

That is pretty much what I said. He was a physical specimen who concentrated on making more of his physical advantages than he did on correcting or addressing a palpable lack of acumen.

 

I disagree.

For starters, Trinidad wasn't basic. You point out the Joppy bout but at that point he had fallen head over heels in love with his power. Trinidad at 147 was a machine, a good boxer with dynamite in both fists. He stopped a prime, undefeated Campas in four. An extremely underrated, undefeated Carr in 8. He was patient, methodical, boxed from the outside with feints that would set up his bombs. What did he make, like 15 defenses at 147? If anything, he's underrated.

I'm not sure how getting knocked down shows how basic your "acumen" is. Pernell Whitaker was knocked down quite a bit and I doubt you'd say that about him. Also, to say he was "A big man who boiled down and who was weak in the opening rounds but warmed up as the fight went on" is insane. For starters, if he did boil himself down, I'd assume he'd be weaker in the later rounds and stronger earlier. Second, he was at welter for pretty much his whole career. I think it's safe to say he boiled down in only his last year, two tops.

 

You mean Trinidad had fallen in love with his hand-wraps.:fightme:

Pernell Whittaker fought with a considerable size disadvantage. He was a very small man. Trinidad dwarfed him, and I believe had Pernell down a couple of times in that fight. I think Trinidad might have had the best part of 5" height on Pernell and as much reach too.

If you look at Winky Wright, the record says he was down 4 times in one fight....but a lot of that was being wrestled, over powered and forced down rather than walking into shots. You can beat a guy into the mat and you can floor a guy. There is more than one route to the canvas.

Trinidad walked into shots. He did it all his career. I dont see why it is even a debatable point. The shot that "Prime Campas" {which makes as much sense as "Prime Carnera} hit him with was a 6" left hook.....something no fighter should have ever walked into. It means Trinidad was basically stood there in front of the guy waiting to be hit. Dont confuse guys like Winky or Pernell being worn down by bigger men and hitting the deck with Trinidads constant walking into of shots.

As for boiling down, he barely made the weight the night of the Oscar fight and it was stated, afterwards of course, that Oscar should have gone for him in the opening round when he had not warmed into the fight.

Besides, is it such a far out suggestion that the man was sweating down a bit during his career? I dont think so. He was the biggest welter since Tommy Hearns, he was a hair under 6' and had great legs.

 

I have a lot of respect for people who challenge themselves. No doubt. It's what I love about my favourite fighters like Duran and Pacman, and it's what I hate about Floyd.

So do I respect Felix for that? Of course I do. He did fight anyone, for that he deserves credit.

I don't hate the guy, I just don't think he was very good, nowhere near as good as a lot of people thought he was. Even at 147, he was still the same basic fighter.

Also, how good was Trinidad without the magic handwraps?

Kenneth - as Musze pointed out, he looked awesome when someone stood in front of him. He was not a good boxer at 147. He was the same fighter, the only difference is post 147 he fought one top fighter after another (kudos to him, he had balls). Oscar made him look silly at 147, before getting on his bike and subsequently getting robbed. When faced with a jab and movement, Tito was clueless.

 

What is your point? that 15 defenses and 30 some odd fights later, Trinidad struggled to make weight? Umm...yeah! The Oscar fight was his last one at 147. I find it difficult to believe he was struggling to make weight in 1994. So yes, it's a far out suggestion seeing as how he maintained that weight all the way up until 1999. BTW, my point about Whitaker was that Whitaker got dropped several times in his career and that had little to do with acumen.

 

Let's see Fraud Cuntweather step in the ring with Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, and Roy Jones Jr and then we'll assess his "greatness".