How hard can Floyd punch?

Hanz Solo is at it again.

PS Floyd has been floored. Period.

 

When did Vernon Forrest become this huge power-puncher????

 

Vernon wasn't particularly aggressive, didn't often go for the KO, but he could punch. He had a very hard right hand, and good uppercuts.

 

Yea, he was a good puncher. Nothing more. To say Floyd might hit as hard as Vernon is not a crazy stretch. Floyd rarely, if ever, goes for the KO too. And while I'm not sure he hits as hard, I hardly see him really try to hit hard either.

 

Depends...might not have much of a choice. Castillo isn't swift of foot, but he was able to get Floyd to not move as much in the first fight. I didn't agree with Floyd losing a punch for pushing Castillo off, whatelse was he supposed to do?

 

That's what I want to know...

He couldn't stop Vince Philips or Raul Frank, both who have been stopped by other fighters. Took 11 rounds to get rid of Adrian Stone.

Forrest was a solid puncher but not a devastating one. Just like Mayweather.

 

To say Floyd hit as hard as Vernon in a P4P sense at 130 is not a crazy stretch.

To say he hits as hard as Vernon at 147 in a direct sense is a crazy stretch. Floyd's power at welterweight is average. Vernon wasn't just an above average puncher at 147, he was a hard puncher.

There's a reason why he is the only person in granite chinned Mosley's whole career that's been able to hurt him.

 

Buster Douglas hurt tyson but razor Ruddock never did. Did Douglas hit harder than Ruddock?

 

I don't think Floyd's power at welter is average. No, he didn't stop Baldomir and Oscar (two granite-chinned guys) but he def would've stopped Judah had Zab not gone mad. Just doesn't seem to put his punches together anymore - as shown against Marquez - but his power is quite respectable. Pernell Whitaker had average power at 147 (and everywhere else). Floyd is better than that.

Also, yes Vernon genuinely hurt Mosley but it's not fair to base much on that. He couldn't hurt old a** Vince Phillips who Quartey put away in three and needed 11 rounds to stop the glass-chinned Adrian Stone. Sorta evens out.

 

Kenneth, in what fights has he demonstrated above average power at 147 though?

 

Hatton for one. De La Hoya as well (buckled Oscar's legs a couple times). Judah.

And don't gimme this Judah is chinny shit because Cotto took 11 rounds to take care of him and Mayweather was on his way to doing the same thing before the 10th round foul.

 

How do you demonstrate above average power? He's only had about five fights at welter. He stopped Mitchell in his first fight there (Sharmba being shopworn but also naturally bigger and already had several fights at 147). He should've stopped Judah IMO and was on his way to doing so. Went 12 with Baldomir, 12 with Oscar. Stopped Hatton. Then retired.

 

Less than average power means punches having little to no effect. Floyd's punches have OBVIOUS effects when they land.

Anyway...I have NO DOUBT that we'll see him hurt Shane in May and we'll have a different conversation then....

 

What do you mean how do you demonstrate above average power? That's like saying how do you gauge power full stop. Well, by seeing how one's punches affect the opponent, the results of those punches landing clean.

I don't look at the Oscar or Baldomir fights, obviously they both have very good chins, there's nothing to be told there.

But the Judah fight, Floyd was hitting Zab with flush shots before and after Zab flipped out and the riot happened, with less effect than when most people hit Zab. IIRC he didn't even deck Zab.

Mitchell wasn't bigger than Floyd. Mitchell looked blown up and soft at 147, he is a natural 140 pounder.

He hit Hatton with flush shots all night, and it took a tired Hatton running into a punch and then the ringpost to KO him. Nice KO, but not exactly a display of power.

And Marquez, he decked Marquez once in the second right, a flash knockdown, and despite landing some flush counter rights later in the fight, didn't hurt Marquez at all. And Marquez is a featherweight FFS. He was pretty tough at 126 and 130 as evidenced in the Pacman fights and well, almost all his other fights, but he's looked out of his element even at 135, getting stunned by Diaz and Casamayor. And this was Marquez at 147.

Quite simply, Floyd hasn't demonstrated above average power at 147. I don't think he is feather fisted at the weight, I just think his power is average at best.

 

I guess I saw a different fight than you. From what I recall, Zab was bloody, battered and on his way out before the meltdown.

I don't put too much stock here as Mitchell was shopworn. That said, he wasn't flabby or blown up at all at 147. Neither against Smith or Mayweather. He just got stopped.

Umm ok. I don't even want to touch this one...seriously. If you can't see the damage Floyd's punches did throughout - and how perfect the KO shot was - I can't help you.

Marquez has a good beard and great recovery skills, as he's shown at every level. But like the Mitchell fight, I don't put too much stock in this either.

I guess.

 

"Oh my God, Oh my God. he punches so HARD. It's like a fucking mule kick."

- Tyson in the ring after the first fight with Razor Rudduck

And yes...Rudduck did hurt Tyson once in that fight. Hell, Frank Bruno caught Tyson and buckled him on their first fight. Bonecrusher Smith hurt Tyson late in their fight.

 

But you still haven't said where Floyd has shown good power.

Zab was battered and bloody sure, he was a beaten man, but Floyd didn't stop him, didn't knock him down, and no single one of Floyd's punches particularly hurt chinny Zab.

You're saying Marquez has a good beard and recovery skills talking as if they fought at 130. This was at 147, Marquez had 2 fights at lightweight then moved up not one but TWO divisions to fight Floyd. Shane Mosley has an awesome chin too, but I wonder what would happen if he moved up to super middleweight, you think his chin would hold up there, against a super middleweight with decent power? We're talking about a guy who's been at welterweight for 5 years against a guy who fought at 130 just over a year ago.

Against Hatton, it was a great shot, no doubt, nice timing and accuracy, and a hilarious KO. And of course he did damage, by hitting Hatton with lots of clean punches for 10 rounds. That doesn't equate to having good power, that equates to being a sharp, accurate puncher. Before the KO, Floyd didn't really hurt Hatton with any single shots, and although it was a good KO, Hatton was done by that point.

I'm not saying Floyd is feather fisted (in fact I've argued in FAVOUR of Floyd's power before) - but that he has merely average power at 147. I just don't see where he has exhibited above average power in any fight at 147.

 

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!

You frustrate me with your responses buddy. :: But I guess you'll say the same of me.
Bottomline is:

a) Ruddock punched harder than Douglas
b) Douglas BADLY hurt Tyson and Ruddock didn't

My point was that you can't say that Forrest is a harder puncher than Mayweather just because Vernon badly staggered Shane. The right punch at the right time from any fairly decent puncher can stagger another fighter. You know this.

The way Floyd is still staggering and hurting Welterweights and the way Forrest couldn't put away or drop guys that other welterweights were able to stop..tells me...when you look at their body of work as a totality (and not isolated incidents)..Forrest has no definitive advantage over Flooyd in the punching power department.

And yes..

Floyd can hurt Shane if he catches him right. Especially with the left hook or right uppercut.
You'll see.....

 

The degree to which you simplify things should be criminal. Hatton walked through Tszyu's punches - but not PBF's - therefore, PBF hits harder?

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:bangh::bangh::bangh:

....says the guy who points to Hatton's fight with Tszyu to make his case that PBF is a hard puncher.

 

No where in that post did I say that Mayweather hit harder than Tzsyu.

I'm merely illustrating, by using that example, that Floyd isn't a light hitter that someone like Shane can just walk through without worrying about the incoming punches.

Why do most FFs (Fightbeat Fuckers) respond to points by pretending that they didn't get the context of the argument?

 

i think when someone supports his conclusions with after-thoughts he is going to be frustrated on any forum, not just fightbeat's.

 

We can go back and forth about this forever. I think it's clear that Floyd's opponent's respect his power - how much is the question. I do think you're underestimating Floyd's pop, which I recall, you always have. But we'll soon see as he faces more welters.

 

You know..not to pull rank...nah hell yeah I'll pull rank figuratively speaking...

Compare your prediction record with mine..and you'll soon realize that you're blessed to even get a response from me you 25% prediction accuracy rate son of a bitch! ::

 

If he hurts Mosley, then no doubt, I'll concede he has power at welterweight.

But you're wrong about me underestimating his pop. Even as far back as the lightweight days some people were saying Floyd was feather fisted. I argued against that, and said he had decent power.

But I think like REED said, he was a good puncher at 130, and division by division his power has dimished, yet he is still an average puncher at 147 - which is nothing to sneer at. Obviously that means average at world level, which means he still hits fairly hard. Nobody is saying he is feather fisted.

 

I don't know. I do specifically remember us arguing back and forth about Floyd's power, Floyd's strength, etc. You didn't think he had the pop to stop Hatton either. Which is why I say you underestimate his pop. And still may be.

 

I remember that, I think I was more saying that Hatton was stronger, and might be able to bully Floyd around.

Clearly that wasn't true, at least not at 147.

Floyd is stronger than he looks, that's for sure. I think I underestimated his strength, because he doesn't really have a style that relies on physical strength.

For example, I'd say he is probably physically stronger than Pacquiao, but Pacquiao hits harder.

By the way, we used to argue about Margarito, more recently about PEDs, what's going to be our next topic of heated discussion? ::

 

Paul Williams?

 

Oh yeah? I quite like Tall Paul, how about you?

 

We need more like him in the sport. Damn shame he couldn't get a fight at 147.