I’m torn on Wilder vs Ortiz

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REED

 

Agreed. People have been sleeping on Wilder for a long time. He's sloppy as fuck, but jesus he can punch, and has some solid intangibles, and decent stamina. He's undefeated for a reason I guess.

Only 215 too, wtf, barely bigger than a cruiserweight. Epic leverage. He's like the HW Hearns without the boxing ability

Joshua is not remotely a lock to beat Wilder. Would not surprise me one bit if Wilder knocked him TFO.

 

Yep, pretty much how I see it.

And obviously "a bum with power" is accurate enough in a nutshell, but the truth is he has some legit attributes that help give that power the chance it needs to win the fight - reach, stamina, handspeed, balls.

 

I'll think about it more when it comes, but right now I am actually leaning towards Wilder.

See, Ortiz could not make it the distance. Eventually the epic power found its mark and that was that. Ortiz is a slicker, craftier boxer than Joshua, with better defense.

Joshua is far more open and hittable. On the flip side, he's also a bit more of a force than Ortiz offensively, who almost finished Wilder, so I guess that's why this fight is very interesting.

First interesting heavyweight fight in YEARS.

 

I think part of the reason ortiz was stopped was also that he started to gas. He really put a lot into trying to stop Wilder.

 

Wilder is still a KO waiting to happen. He could easily blow it at any time between now and whenever him and AJ are supposed to fight. His flaws are that glaring, and his power won't bail him out EVERY SINGLE TIME.

He was really quite fortunate to win this last fight.

 

Agreed.

The thing is....Wilder isn't very skilled, that much is obvious. He's basically a club fighter; he fights as though he's in a brawl at a bar because some dude pinched his woman's ass. Doesn't look like he's had any boxing training at all. At some point it'll be his undoing and it could very well happen against Joshua.

The thing is....he has so much power, plus he carries his power late plus his power is delivered with such fast "snappy" punches plus he has the reach and the intangibles...that he can never ever be counted out.

Having said all of that...I expect Joshua to utterly dominate and embarrass him, if I had to make a pick. But again...I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilder battered and bruised and humiliated and then coming back with a bomb that turns the fight on its head.

 

Yup....Ortiz gassed...and it was obvious from that point that he was vulnerable if Wilder caught him with another bomb.

 

BLOODY interesting fight! I would be beyond hyped if this comes off. I'd be the most hyped for a heavyweight fight since the prospect of Lewis vs. Bowe in the early 90s.

 

Styles analysis suggests that Joshua fucks him up though. Joshua has the reach to get close to him and when Joshua gets close he's not going to fuck around the way Ortiz often did, no, Joshua will be fucking him up. Joshua is a very aggressive fighter. He'll bring the fight to Wilder and Wilder wont have the opportunity to stick his left out to create distance to land the right, he'll be having to defend himself...and Joshua throws very good combinations up close and every punch has power.

 

Considering your "expert analysis" said that Ortiz would pick Wilder apart and stop him, while I told you for months that Wilder would catch him and stop him, perhaps you should sit this prediction out, oh master prognosticator.

 

Neither of us were 100% right and neither of us were 100% wrong.

You had suggested that Wilder would just walk through the "slow old man" and I suggested that Ortiz would pick Wider apart.

Ortiz was winning the fight (regardless of what those biased judges saw) and was "picking Wilder apart" and almost stopped him. We all always knew that Wilder had a punchers' chance, I said so also, but a man can't make a prediction based on just a punchers' chance. So you happened to get the right outcome...but my analysis of the fight was closer.

 

The fight went longer than I expected, the way it played out was exactly what I had feared and what I expected.

I knew Wilder couldn't "outbox" Ortiz. The guy can't fuckin outbox anybody, so I figured Ortiz would be in control up until the point Wilder landed that right hand bomb.

I thought Ortiz had him in the 7th, as did everybody, but as SOON as Ortiz let him survive the 8th round, I knew it was over. I could tell Wilder was gonna catch him again eventually.

 

Wilder's power is an equalizer...but we can't make predictions just based on what might happen if he lands one. I believe you predicted that Wilder would just walk through him. I'll go back and check you prediction and if I'm wrong there fair enough.

 

This is a weak prediction and doesn't really analyze what would have happened. So don't take too much pride in this one.

 

Joshua is not a better boxer than Ortiz. And his defense is definitely worse. So I do not think it is a given that Joshua improves on what Ortiz was able to do. He is also not as good a counterpuncher as Ortiz. On the other hand, Joshua is bigger. But that also means he is slower.

 

I'm with Double. I don't see Joshua as a top technician or a better technician than Ortiz. He's a puncher, just like Wilder. A more SKILLED puncher than Wilder, but with less of an equalizer.

 

Even a clock is right twice a day.

Bottom line is if it were a younger, fresher Ortiz in there, he would have been correct in his prediction.

 

Bigger doesn't automatically equate to slower. Tyson was bigger than Hagler....he was also faster than Hagler.

 

I agree also in that Joshua isn't a better technician than Ortiz. Doesn't matter though...what Joshua excels at is his offense: punch repertoire, combinations and overall punishment delivery system. Against a guy like Wilder these attributes would be more telling.

 

Don't you agree Joshua is slower than Ortiz?

 

And all those offensive attributes could go out with the window with one Wilder right hand.

 

And vice versa...

 

No, not at all

 

I've never said otherwise.

 

I also agree. He's big, he's solid, he's a decent all rounder. But a legit technician or "boxer"? Nah. He has more skill than Wilder and more importantly, he's much neater with better technique, but he's hardly a heavyweight Floyd. He's quite hittable too.

I'm not completely sold on Joshua, he was underrated now he's a bit overrated. Ultimately I think it's two big guys who can punch, with Wilder having a significantly harder punch and possibly a better chin too.

Don't get me wrong though, I quite like both of them, they're both exciting - and like Sly I'm more pumped about this than any HW fight in years.

 

I think he is a bit slower tbh. Ortiz might look like a frumpy uncle, but he's fairly quick and fluid. Joshua is not slow (especially for his size), but he's not particularly fast and he looks too musclebound, and not particularly fluid. Faster than he looks though, I'll give him that.

 

Joshua-Wilder is literally the type of fight where Joshua wins every round except the round he gets KO'd in, to which the Brit broadcasting team would say "ANTHONY JOSHUA'S CAREER IS IN TATTERS!" after one loss

 

Yeah, Joshua-Wilder could very well end with the Brit broadcasting team going "OHHH NOOOO! THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT!"

 

"OH GOODNESS ME! THE JOSHUA STORY IS CERTAINLY OVER!!!!!!!"

After one loss. Just one loss, and the career is immediately over,