I Hear Kotelnik Was Robbed Last Night....

I thought it was pretty darn close, I had Alexander by a point... not a robbery by any stretch, but four points seems a bit generous to Devon Alexander

 

Where did you read that headline? I would like to know where you read that headline??

Kotelnik was shafted and you know it. That fight takes place in any other country and Kotelnik picks up a title. Or two.

When Maxboxing, home of Leap Amateurism and Southpaw Skillz are basically acknowledging that Alexander got away with it, then you know he lost.

 

Nah I just think he won more rounds than Kotelinik who landed good shots especially late but was out worked in there. I think its pretty hard to look good against Kotelinik unless your name's junior witter. He doesn't fall for feints and never leaves himself open for counters and covers up well. He's a really good fighter but he lost Saturday night and it wasn't that close.

 

i thought maxboxing preferred mexican brawlers? get your story straight, shitbird

 

this is how i had it. kotelnik has himself to blame, imo. he could have done better. the fight was there for him to dominate more than he did.

 

It's always a little goofy to read through "robbery" threads where people agree, but then state that they could have seen it as a draw or a 7-5 victory for the person getting "robbed".

If the fight is that close, it isn't a robbery. I realize that the final scores may have been slightly off kilter, but unless the loser clearly won at least 8 rounds I have trouble calling a fight a robbery.

Kotelnik could have been given a slim decision win, sure. Alexander was busier, but didn't land a whole lot of great shots (although he did land some). I think Kotelnik's style is all wrong for Devon Alexander, just like it is all wrong for a lot of fighters. On the flipside, Alexander was shown to have some weaknesses that we knew he probably had anyway (being so young) but we just hadn't seen yet. Alexander's stock goes down a peg or two, but nothing really changes in my book. I would not have picked him to beat Bradley anyway, regardless of this fight.

Hopefully Kotelnik goes on to fight for a championship again; he can't be ignored at this point. Hopefully Alexander goes back to the gym now with some humility and a good concept of just how vulnerable he is. It's a vicious world out there in the ring, and nothing's a given even if HBO hypes you hard and heavy. We'll see if he can improve and compete at the highest levels of jr. welter or not.

 

Seems from what I have heard and read (I won't be able to actually watch the fight until after work tonight) that Kotelnik does what he usually does; find a way to marginally lose in his biggest fights, especially away from home. The only time he hasn't done so is when Khan pretty much bored everyone to death by shutting him out and when he gave Gavin Rees a quite delicious beating.

It's good that Alexander has come back down a peg or two, though, because he was getting completely overrated off the back of beating a shot to shit Junior Witter and an old Urango, who isn't all that anyway. Devon is a very solid fighter with decent power but is a relative novice at world level and has plenty to learn; he managed to pick up a belt very cheaply in the Witter fight and it might just have been a touch too early for him IMHO.

MTF

 

I don't have anything against Alexander, I actually think he's decent. The thing which annoyed me was the hype, fucking hell, it was ridiculous. People were ready to crown him as the next P4P superstar after wins over Witter and Urango...crazy shit. Also, when people were going on about how Khan was pissing down his leg in fear of superman Alexander and then Devon needs a gift decision to get past one of Khan's easiest wins, it's kinda funny I have to admit ::.

Still, I DO think Alexander is a good fighter, but he isn't as good as people on here were making him out to be, Bradley is undoubtedly #1 at the weight but I still think Alexander could be more of a threat to Khan with his attributes, although I pick Amir to handily beat them both.

Anyway, enough of the superman talk please, it was getting silly...

 

I think people are overrating how much Alexander was overrated on here. Everyone said he was good but I don't recall anyone blowing him up to superstar proportions. Did people give him a chance against Bradley and Kahn? Of course, and the fact is he's still a live dog against both those guys, it's just that now he's shown a bit of vulnerability.

Criticise last nights close fight if you want, but let's not forget he dominated Urango like nobody else ever did and most impressive of all was he did it with out running. He's still top 2 in the division until someone beats him.

 

Nah, he stopped him like no one else had. However, Alexander did get touched up quite a bit by Urango. It was a good win, but I'd also say i thought randall bailey laid a lot of the groundwork in the cracking of urango's chin in his previous fight.

 

Agreed, it was a great uppercut to get the stoppage but it disguised the fact Urango was in the fight at the time, which he wasn't against the supposedly one-dimensional Hatton years before

 

And no way is Alexander 2nd in the division, for what exactly?

 

Alexander basically has what it takes to be accepted and loved by Kellerman and Lederman....American, black, flashy, southpaw, unbeaten, titlist. The perfect ingredients, all blended up by a HBO contract into the perfect pie.

The sad reality is that the division is, like so many, not a patch on what it was even 5-7 years ago.

Who is there? Khan, who already failed at 135 having feasted off 130lbrs, Bradley, who can't hit, Alexander {who effectively lost his last fight}....Kotelnik.....:dunno:

From 2000-2007 you had Cotto, Judah, Tszyu, Mitchell, Hatton, Phillips, Oliveira, Abdullaev, Torres, Urkal, Magee, Gatti, Mayweather {to a degree} Ward, Augustus, Witter, hell even guys like Shea Neary made a sort of an impact.

Today you got fuck all and HBO are acting like Niccolino Loche and Aaron Pryor were in their primes and about to fight....:shit:

 

So you wouldn't be surprised to read both Gabriel Montoya and Steve Kim scored it for Kotelnik?

Montoya:

Kim:

Continuing the theme, former Maxbox'er Doug Fischer also had it for Kotelnik:

 

“Amir Khan is looking very good right now”::

What were Kellerman's comments on Khan after Bradley-Abregu?

I seem to remember them being slightly different.

 

Kellerman is a douche, and 140 is a cesspit of leap-amateurism and pillow-fistedness.

 

:laughing::laughing:

 

Yea yea, I hear this "Leap amateurism" shite all the time now, bla bla. Fact is, Alexander was the next big thing, and now because he's not all he's cracked up to be, the whole division's shit.

 

It's not what it used to be only a few years ago.

 

The guys at the top are in their early to mid-20's and improving. It's the best division in boxing right now.

 

That's not saying much.

 

Well, those guys in their mid-20's can at least say they've panned out better, as a whole, than that post-2000 Olympic 140-crop that promoters and networks dumped a ton of money and air time into that included Miguel Cotto, Muhammad Abdullaev, Ricardo Williams Jr., and Panchito Bojado (though he didn't fight at 140 in the Olys)...Kelson Pinto was also in the Olympics, and if you want to include Larry Merchant's favorite 140 prospect, Jeffrey Resto, to the mix, you can.

 

HBO pumped money into Abdullaev?..

 

He was getting SHO dates until he came from ahead in his loss to Clottey on ESPN2...including an undercard spot on Tszyu-Leija down under...and he did manage to get on HBO eventually.

 

I agree... if he had been a bit busier, especially early, the openings were there... he was landing cleanly when he did let his hands go

 

I echo that frustration