I just watched Mayweather vs Castillo I for the first time...

ok. so PBF isn't vulnerable everytime he's faced the division's best.

i guess the point is, PBF's career in the last several years, since moving up from 135, has been an absolute b.s., and has earned him a status he doesn't deserve.

 

who are you picking in may

 

I don't disagree, that's how I recall it.

"however"

When I raised this precise point a few weeks back, it was met with the Freitas and Casamayor argument.

 

Troll? Who the fuck are you that I would want to troll? Tell me how in anyway you can give Pacman more than 5 rounds? Please tell me, if you gave Pacman 6 or 7 rounds, you seriously don't know how to score a fight. It was pretty easy to score and about 80% of the boxing fans had it for Marquez unless you are blind, bias or phillipino there is no way you can give it to Pacman, now shut up get that dick out of your mouth, and start actually watching boxing.

 

I hate when people invoke the influence of Lampley/Lederman as a means of trying to denigrate someobe else's scorecard, as if only the accuser is capable of objectivity...

 

:bears:

 

I thought Castillo won that very comfortably,.. it appeared to me that Castillo was the aggressor, landed more overall, hurt Fraud on many more occasions and simply won the fight. I know how horrifying that is to Fraud groupies but, virtually every fighter in boxing loses one,... fortunately Castillo was robbed, and thus ya'll can continue to high-roll as if it were prime Roy all over again.

 

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We should create 12 round by round threads..one for every round and have a video in that thread of just one round. I bet you that the consensus of teh forum if we score it that way would be to award more rounds to Floyd.

Boxing is scored round by round. When you looked at the entire fight I can understand someone thinking that Castillo possibly got the better of it because Floyd looked uncomfortable in spots and far less comfortable than usual (the injury caused him to uncharacteristically southpaw switch on many occassions..and he didn't have teh controllling jab or left hook that he usually has)....but on a round by round basis you can't give Castillo 6 rounds let alone 7.

 

fair enough.

however, fights are not judged after the fact. i doubt many if any controversial decisions (assuming they werent bought) wouldnt be changed if scored after the fact.

the feel you get watching the fight, and your inital impression is usually closest to the official verdict (even if afterwards you realize your error)

 

...which is exactly why most people feel that Castillo deserved the nod.

 

Most people saw the fight on HBO (sorry cdogg) and that's why they had that "feeling". Lederman was off...Lampley was influenced by Lederman. Easy to hear that broadcast and give certain rounds to Castillo like the 8th and 10th when Floyd clearly won both.

 

i thought it was 6-6 with a point deduction.

thats too close to be definitive either way.

floyd WAS INJURED however,and beat a just as good castillo when he was healthy.

 

I had the first fight even, 113-113. Didn't have a problem with Floyd winning more so than the margin of victory, not unlike Oscar's wins over Quartey and Whitaker (though completely different fights).

I forget how I scored the rematch - either 7-5 or 8-4. I don't remember the fight being particularly entertaining, although I also don't ever recall the outcome over being in doubt.

And while I agree with cdogg's earlier comment regarding HBO's commentary, there's no question that there are a large number of viewers who are unwillingly influenced - esp. if they're already rooting one way or another.

The other side, is those who are rooting for the opposite fighter, in which case they ignore/dismiss EVERYTHING the announcers say, to where you now have two separately biased viewpoints.

 

ok. I'll take your word for it, not only that the majority of viewers were influenced by Lederman's score-card, but also that Lampley was. :notallthere:

the bottom line is, the protest from PBF fans, as to the claim that Castillo was robbed, came only after people were able to watch the fight over and over again. and even then, it was largely PBF fans who found reasons to give the fight to PBF.

 

A majority of ringside pundits at the fight gave it to Floyd as well as the three judges.

HBO were actually in the slight minority.