I picked Cotto by UD but -

D, I picked Cotto to win ... As I already stated , I don't have a problem with him getting the decision either ..
So right off the fucking bat , I'm completely right on this fight ... Understand that ....

However , It makes me sick once again to see the ball hugging posts ..
Anyone in their right fucking minds show know a fight that close could have gone either way or a draw ..
Calzaghe / Kessler was a close fight that was a clear desicion in one direction ... If these ball huggers can't see the difference , then that is their shortcoming ..

 

Exactly.

I had it 116-113 Cotto. The best I can see is 7-5. Close but clear.

Peace.

 

Neither are right hands that land behind the head, btw.

 

Ummm...did you see Mosley's face? Both sides of his jaw very swollen, much damage around the eyes, a lump on his forehead and lumps here and there....scratches and marks on his forehead as well.

Cotto's cut on the eye was due to a headbutt. He did have a cut inside his mouth (which apparently he's prone to) and marks.

And come on, bro...please tell me you're not using punchstats to justify a decision.

Peace.

 

I had the fight really close and I'm not a Cotto fan but I'm fucking tired of so many people screaming robbery everytime there's a close fight. Jsusssss! :doh: Cotto won, he was awarded a close UD. That's what it was, deal with it. Props to Cotto.

 

I'm tired of it as well!

 

dsimon writes:

Your hopeless!!:doh: ::

 

dsimon writes:

Well I don't score fights I watch em carefully so I reference Donny.... Tell him Donny!:: Now Metamuze... his eyesight has gone a bit soft... from watching Shane porn videos no doubt....

 

mosley hacked his way through 12 rounds. i'm not even sure he won 1 round.

 

rehab

 

no, no, no....

 

117-111 Shane

 

:laughing:

 

i had shane winning by a round

in comparison to ledermans card, i gave one of the middle rounds to shane that he gave to cotto (i dont remember which one) and i gave the 12th to mosley, i couldnt see how you could score the 12th for anyone other than shane, unless your lederman or one of the judges

neither man was particularly effective but all cotto did was back up and run the entire round, shane atleast pressed the action a bit and threw and landed some punches, cotto did nothing

pretty damn good fight overall, id like to see a RE, i think if shane can start a bit faster, throw his damn left hand some more, work the body a bit more, he can def win a RE and even by KO or TKO

 

Yeah but...none of us that knows your history concerning Shane can be surprised by that.

You'd give Shane ANY round that wasn't EMPHATICALLY won by Cotto.

 

given YOUR history its not surprising that youd give cotto any round that wasnt EMPHATICALLY won by shane

:nono:

 

To be honest with you. Shane only won ONE round emphatically, but I can't remember which one it was. I still Gave Shane 4 rounds.

Most rounds that Shane won were very close. Cotto won 7 rounds clearly.

 

did you give cotto the 12th?

 

No

 

-LieStaff..."Mosley's #1 fan."

:tease:

 

I have to watch the fight again and so the following may be off by a round but from my recollection my scorecard was....


Round 1: Cotto
Round 2: Mosley
Round 3: Cotto (close)
Round 4: Cotto
Round 5: Cotto
Round 6: Cotto
Round 7: Cotto
Round 8: Mosley
Round 9: Cotto
Round 10:Mosley
Round 11: Cotto
Round 12: Mosley

 

In all honesty..

Although it does appear that I "hate" Shane. I actually don't. He IS one of my favourite fighters believe it or not. :: It just used to irritate me back in 2000 when people were trying to claim that he was a more complete fighter than both Jones and Mayweather, and that he would beat Trinidad at 154lbs no less. I just wasn't having any of that!! :nono:

People were getting RIDICULOUS in regards to Shane and getting swept away with the hype. I was the voice of reason.

 

In all seriousness Sly...

That's not even close to how I recall it. There were people all over Shane's nuts but it was nowhere near the fandom Trinidad had at the time. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you were one of the more prominent members of the Tito fanclub (at least as vocal as a non-Puerto Rican could be) which contributed to the snide comments about Shane.

The main criticism Shane got dealt with his not standing a chance against Tito etc.

Not once during that time or anytime leading up to the last six months do I recall your proclaiming to be a fan of Shane or having many positive things to say about him.

All jokes aside, that's how I recall your history with Shane.

 

You must be in the wrong thread ... Not one person here called this fight a robbery ...

 

Wrong!

The following members to name just a few exhibited fandom as EXTREME as some Tito fans, but it was just as more acceptable because SHane had beaten Oscar more convincingly than Trinidad had, and had a more fluid and slick style:

Marz, Von333, AtomicDogg, Massman, Phonetap (but not as bad as some)

Shane was thought by those to be the PERFECT fighter who was better overall than both Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather!! :eeeek: :eeeek: :eeeek:

The Trinidad fans were denigrated more because Tito's limitations were more obvious, but the Shane heads were in fact just as bad.

Only myself and Everlast at the time (and later Xplosive) realized Shane for who he was...both most others throught he was the reincarnation of SRR.

 

I think you spent too much time listening to Larry Merchant during those years.

There's no comparison between the level of praise Shane received in comparison to what Trinidad received then.

It's interesting that you brought Everlast into this because it simply makes my point that much stronger...

I talk to Everlast and I can tell you that he is undoubtedly one of the biggest Trindad nuthuggers and biggest Mosley haters out there. His rhetoric and yours at the time were parallel.

He's not the best person to use when trying to make your point.

**X isn't a credible sourse either. X is a Roy Jones sellout, so his switching gears isn't surprising**

 

Utter nonsense.

like I said, it was just more acceptable to be a Shane nuthugger than it was to be a Tito nuthugger.

 

Sly, during 2000-2001 boxing boards were literally overrun by Puerto Rican Trinidad fans and you were right there with them.

Shane never had the following Trinidad had, it was never close. Praise for Shane was high, but there's no way you can say with a straight face that Shane's praise ran parallel to that of Trinidad. That's simply a false statement on your part.

Trinidad was Fighter of the Year in 2000, the same year Mosley beat Oscar. After Trinidad beat Joppy in early 2001 it was damn near impossible to say anything remotely negative about the guy.

The momentum for Shane didn't really pick up until AFTER Trinidad got waxed by Hopkins.

To suggest anything otherwise is simply being purposely dishonest or simply having no accurate recollection of what actually transpired.

The bottom line is, you were right in the middle of the Trinidad praise machine.

 

I think you're confusing two things:

1. Amount of fans for either fighter
2. Level of FANDOM from the fans

I'm speaking of the latter.

I don't recall ANY Tito fans saying that Trinidad was a complete fighter that was overall better than Roy Jones....and could be likened to Multi dimensional guys like Robinson.

 

I'm not confusing the issue. More Trinidad fans equals a higher level of fandom. I'm sure there are more than a couple of people who will vouch for how unbearble Trinidad fans were during that timeframe.

You and your fellow Trinidad nuthuggers were touting Trinidad as the best fighter in the world...over Roy Jones....the "Roycott" started in 2001 for the Julio Gonzales fight which happened between Tito-Joppy and Tito-Hopkins.

The whole position was, Tito would knock out everyone. Period.

One other point of clarification from another one of your posts...

You said something about Mosley being touted as better overall than Floyd which seems odd because Floyd hadn't even fought Corrales yet. That didn't happen until early 2001 and that remains his signature fight.

Floyd was considered one of the best fighters in the world, but he didn't have anywhere near the stature he's got now. Therefore, anyone who believed Shane was a better fighter than Floyd certainly had no reason to NOT believe so based on accomplishments up to that point. Floyd won Ring's Fighter of the Year based on the Hernandez win and Manfredy fight...but that was in 1998. I think Shane won the Boxing Writers Award in 1998 as well.

I find it interesting that neither Shane nor Floyd have won a major FOTY award since 1998 which predates both of their signature fights.

"However"

Vernon Forrest won Ring Magazines's FOTY based off beating Shane twice. ::