I picked Cotto by UD but -

True. Floyd's signature fight came Against Corrales in 2001 whereas Shane's signature fight came in the summer of 2000.

HOWEVER

The ridiculous fandom of Shane PEAKED after the Taylor and Stone fights which were AFTER Floyd proved his incredible talent against Corrales in JANUARY of 2001. Besides anyone who knew anything didn't need to wait for the Corrales fight to know how good Floyd was...I had predicted that he'd stop Corrales, and Jake can testify to this.

So I should have Shane the Shane of 2000-2001 and not just the Shane of 2000.

He was OVERRATED based upon one good win (De La Hoya) and wins over a few mediocre fighters/bums (Diaz, Taylor and Stone).

In 2001 (or 2000) he should have NEVER have been mentioned as being of equal or greater talent to Jones or Mayweather. :nono:

 

Shane won this fight

 

Another post based in what's current today vs what was believed at the time...

Part of Floyd's problem in 2000 was his only fighting twice that year. he beat Goyo Vargas but it wasn't a terribly exciting fight and later beat Burton in a good scrap.

He also followed up the Corrales fight with the stinkfest of the Hernandez fight (remember when he hurt his hands?) and then finished it with a win over Jesus Chavez.

With all of that said and back on point, neither Shane nor Mayweather COLLECTIVELY got a fraction of the praise and attention Trinidad got. You're only bringing Floyd's name into this now based on his status now. The fact of the matter is, at that time he was not a player nor perceived player.

You and most other were so busy deep throating Trinidad, the mention of any other fighter was simply unheard of. That's what the weather was like then Sly.

You can try to deny your Trinidad love/Shane hate and mix in Mayweather's name because he's relevant now vs then but it doesn't change any of the facts or variables.

 

:: "Mayweather dominated De La Hoya" -lok

 

He did!

I know you are a DLH dick sucker but if you watch that fight.. Really watch it..

not like for the first time when anticipation is high.. watch it now... Floyd was in total control and dominated DLH

 

Nonsense. I was KNOWN for being a Floyd fan back then...moreso than being a Tito fan (or at least as much). I've always been identified with Floyd and Jones...even over Tito.

 

I think you need to be re-freshed and you should watch this clip again ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dss8VYRjxKo

 

That my friend, exists in your own mind.

Hell, I was a fan of Floyd's at that time. I'd even said that Floyd is the best fighter I've ever seen fight live (I was at the N'Dou fight in 2003). I didn't start disliking him until 2004-2005...(I was on record as wanting Floyd to KO Gatti, then get KO'd by TBA in his next fight).

You were known as being an unabashed member of the Tito Nutriding crew during 2000-2001. Perhaps you can slide with guys who weren't around at that time, "however" that dog don't hunt with guys who were around then. :nono:

 

I'm calling your wife and telling her to take you back to the ER for more tests.

It's for your own good. :clap:

 

you hit the nail on the head, stafford was definitely part of the unbearable legion of trinidad nuthuggers. don't even waste time debating the issue with the homo sapien/equus caballus hybrid because sly thinks that as time passes people will forget all the dumb shit he's said over the years (i.e. slystaffsimagination.com). :laughing:

 

Musze....I can vouch for this.

Trinidad had MORE fans, and within that some of the more vocal kind (especially within the Puerto Ricans)....of that there can be no doubt.

His hype machine was just incredible.

But there were quite a few select Mosley fans - alot, but not as many as Trinidad fans - who really DID push him as the absolute, complete fighter. I remember vividly how they'd bring up round 5 or 6 of the Brown fight where Mosley played all defense, for example.

Sly has forgotten, but even though I dearly love Shane, even back then I would point out how he was too offensive-minded, didn't integrate offense and defense well, was open up the middle, didn't really use his jab effectively....not all in one post like some kind of hate diatribe, you understand, but just over the course of conversation....

And it was always met by the same fanatical dissertation of these fans stating that Mosley was the complete fighter and trotting out all of the examples...

And that inevitably led to the "Trinidad-Mosley Fan Wars" as both armies shot volleys at each other. ::

There was no one Mosley could lose to with these guys, and no wrong he could do.

If you remember, this is why you and I were in such a minority in nervously picking Shane over Forrest - and in a much, much tougher fight than everyone else (who were picking Shane by KO or wide UD).

Peace.

 

dude we hav a lot in common hen it comes to pbf. i used to luv the guy. then he started mining hbo for all its cash, and right or wrong, can't like a fighter with an agenda like that.

 

hey - you're back! did you paint your avatar?

 

::

if you only knew the state i was in - maybe "maybe" you wouldn't joke

 

shane's a hold and hit hack - his boxing skills are a myth. his biggest asset is his strength, hand-speed and durability, but he can't live in the ring comfortably without the bear hug. that makes him a hack as opposed to a self-possessed warrior like Cotto.

 

The issue isn't whether or not there were wars between those who liked Shane and Trinidad. That goes without saying and is acknowledged.

The ISSUE is where Sly stood in all of that and Sly is flat out lieing about his position.

In fact, Sly is NOW saying that he was a bigger fan of Mayweather in 2000-2001 even moreso than he was a fan of Trinidad and Mosley.

Also, lest we not forget...Mosley and Forrest didn't come about until January of 2002 which is obviously after Trinidad had been beaten by Hopkins. If you correctly recall the sequence of events, Forrest and Mosley was made after Forrest originally turned down the fight, Mosley made an offer to Wink who wanted $3.5 million then the Mosley's offered Forrest the same $1.25 million and the rest is history.

There isn't a debate about what was being said at the time...I know all this. The point is, Sly has fabricated what he was saying at the time. Sly has been a well documented hater of Shane's since that time and yet within the past few months he's portraying himself as a long-time Mosley fan which isn't true.

Your post vouches for what was said at the time (which isn't up for debate), "however" it doesn't vouch for what Sly was saying at the time. He can talk about what was said, but he wasn't the one saying it. ::

It was no secret that I was a huge Mosley fan back then but as you said, we both were extremely nervous about Shane's fight with Forrest and neither of us painted Mosley as a perfect fighter.

The bottom line is, after Trinidad clipped Joppy 2001 the praise for him was ridiculous. His minions were picking him to KO Roy Jones. That is gospel.

 

slystaff is so full of shit it's ridiculous...he used to be firmly latched on trinidad's balls...as much as any puerto rican. and for those who forgot, here is a classic example from secondsout archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020525024110/www.secondsout.com/soforum/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000106.html

some selected quotes for those too lazy to read:

"Hearns would get smoked. Plain and simple."

"Hearns right hand may be slightly harder than Tito's left hook....but Tito's right hand is FAR more devastating that Hearns' left hook and so overall Trinidad has more power."

"Duran was a come forward pressure fighter. He would be made for Tito."

"Also, the Leonard that Fought Hagler at 160 would clearly outbox Trinidad early but after 7 or 8 rounds Trinidad would begin to get close to him and his power and relentless would wear him down gradually."

"Remember Trinidad is significantly faster and more powerful than Hagler was in 1987."

so here we have sly on record stating that trinidad could beat hearns, duran, leonard and he might as well add hagler. if phonetap looks hard enough he guarantees he'll find where sly predicts tito beating hagler.

 

:bears: :: ..damning evidence

 

:bears:

I might be old, but some things I don't forget. ::

If he's saying that about Trinidad, imagine what he said about Floyd seeing that he's now saying he was a bigger fan of Floyd than Mosley and Trinidad at the time.

 

Then I disengage and leave you to your trial & summary execution. ::

 

Holy crap, that brings back memories!! ::

Hard to believe I have been posting with many of you for 7+ years! :eeeek:

Man, I had forgotten alot of those guys...Massman, Cleto Reyes, CocoTaso, Superbad....the list goes on.

And damn, 'Tap....now I KNOW you work for the CIA. Big brother is watching. Jesus.

You gonna pull up my posts from House of Boxing too? ::

To be fair...I can understand speculation about Trinidad-Hearns at 147 and 160.

The rest I have a much harder time swallowing.

Peace.

 

Now remember, Sly is now saying he was a bigger fan of Mayweather than Trinidad...God only knows what he THINKS he said about Floyd at the time.

::

 

When's the next time we're talking on the phone, Musze-meister? What fights are coming up? ::

 

Exactly..and I indeed remember you now as another voice of reason, sorry for that oversight.

 

I stand by those comments...regarding Hearns and Duran. Leonard...I change my mind now. Hagler would beat Tito though.

But the point is EVERYONE knows me for being a Floyd fan. I was a huge Tito fan also...never denied it...but I was known for being a Floyd fan since the time I was the ONLY person to pick him over COrrales by TKO!


You can't deny this, chump.:warning:

 

to be fair to sly he has always been a fan of mayweather, "however" the current unabashed teabagging of mayweather's scrotum increased exponentionally following trinidad's one-sided debacles and roy jones devastating KO losses.

 

Sorry but this isn't even addressing Donnybrooks post which was MY main point about Mosley fans being more extreme than Trinidad fans. You've conveniently sidestepped the issue and focussed on ME (obsession) because you know you have no grounds to stand on.

 

you picked floyd to beat corrales (as did phonetap) but phonetap isn't sure if your prediction was by TKO. phonetap got into heated debate with everlast over the issue because that fool said corrales would blow floyd out...that was one of the few debates where you and phonetap were in complete agreement.

 

Yep. Tapper is a scary dude. He works for the NSA and shit! :: I don't know where he digs up this old stuff. :laughing:

 

I remember that Everlast changed his pick after the weigh in, he said Corrales looked like a corpse... I wasn't posting a lot back then but I remember Second's out board was evenly split on this fight. Back then, it was seen as a toss up if I'm not mistaken.