I think Jon Jones is a great fighter BUT

good point, and one who was totally pertinent with my post.
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So Jones shouldn't cut weight, even though just about all fighters do?

If Jones can cut to 205 with no problems and be bigger and stronger than most of his opponents, then yes, 205 is Jones' proper weight.

TFK

 

Weight cutting is part of the sport. Jones easily makes 205, he dominates the division. I'd say that qualifies it as his proper weight class.

I'm not sure what Anthony is arguing, every single fighter that isn't a HW cuts weight.

 

But he can't make those weights, he makes 205 and performs well there. THAT makes it his proper weight class.

 

Not at all. Not even close, really.

If Jones had to cut to those weights, he'd have to kill himself to do it, and in all likelihood, couldn't get to those weights. But if he could, it would certainly effect his performance when he fought. He is too big to fight at 170 or 185. But 205 is not a problem for him, and he cuts with no adverse effects inside the octagon or out of it.

If Jones had to fight his next fight at heavyweight, chances are he's not bringing as much power with him, or the ability to take a shot like he does at 205. Therefore, it's pretty obvious that at this point in his career, 205 is his proper weight.

TFK

 

I said 205 is the proper weight class for Jones and you responded with "bullshit".

I didn't miss anything. Jones can make 205 and has dominated every top fighter in the division.

There is no "bullshit", it IS his proper weight class.

You want to argue that he looks like a HW so he should fight at HW. That is really the lone support to your statement. And that's really a silly notion.

 

Speculation? I guess you can say that. But you can also say with great confidence that Jones would have to kill himself to get to 170, and if he could, it would certainly effect his performance. We have seen other fighters cut too much weight and the negative effects it has had on them, so I would say it's more then just speculation.

Any why do you keep posting the pictures? Who cares what Jones weighs in between fights? You can find countless pictures of fighters who are a lot heavier than their fighting weight. The only weight that matter is the one on the scale during the weigh in. Jones fights at 205, and that is the best weight for him. If he was better suited for a different weight class, he would be fighting at that weight.

TFK

 

Agree. He is a huge 205 lber.

Despite MWS's typical reliance on 'clearly' to make points that aren't clear, Jones is a lot bigger than Chael.

Robert Guerrero made 126 lbs for a long time. More power to him. But there's a reason he can carry 147 easily enough and most other 126 lbers cannot. Jones can fight at heavyweight easily and he won't be undersized at all. I would say 230 will be the lower end of where he'd come in at. I'd guess high 230's.

 

The point is really simple. If he can make 205 cleanly, and be effective there, that's his "proper" weight class. Sure he is big at the weight, but so are many others. Most fighters walk around much heavier than the weight they cut to. I would guess Chael cut WAY more weight to get to 185 than Jones does to get to 205.

Hopkins looked fucking big at 160, but that was his proper weight class. He made the weight by being disciplined between fights, I guess Jones is the same.

 

So what determines what a fighter's 'proper' weightclass is?

TFK

 

Floyd and Pacquiao have dominated 147, it doesn't mean it's their natural weight class.

 

In Fairness, we CAN'T See ALL of Arlovski's TORSO...Nor Can we See the LEGS Of Either Man....




REED:dunno:

 

But damn near every fighter in the sport puts on weight between fights. I guess none of them are fighting at their ideal weight either?

You need to quit worrying about what a fighter weighs when he's not fighting, because it doesn't mean a thing. It's what they weigh at the weigh ins that matters.

TFK

 

Yep. Hatton ballooned up to like near 200 pounds between fights, maybe he should have been fighting at light heavy? ::

 

Because what he weighs when he's not fighting means absolutely nothing. Like I said, if he was killing himself to make 205, or he was missing weight, you'd have a valid point, but he's not and you don't.

TFK

 

I know what your point is. I just think it is silly.

TFK

 

Thats the key. Based on Anthony's rationale, very few fighters are fighting at their "proper" weight.

All I know for sure is that the only thing that ISN'T speculation is the fact that Jones is ideally suited to whip ass at 205.

None of us has a clue how he would do at HW.