I think Victor Ortiz will have trouble with Mike Arnaoutis

You think? I actually expect Julio to beat Kirkland.

 

I agree, I wouldnt be surprised at all if he loses to Julio.

Maybe I didn't word it the way I meant it.

Independent of the match-ups on Saturday, I think more of Arnaoutis than Julio, so I consider him more of a test for a prospect and a win over him more of an accomplishment than a win over Julio.

I do think it's a difficult fight for him.

I'm actually pleased that Ortiz is getting a fight like this for his time out on HBO.

It wasn't that way for Kirkland.

 

It'll be televised.

 

For what it's worth, Mighty Mike is being trained by Buddy McGirt. I'm just putting that out there...

 

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As for Guerrero.
His wife is very sick again, and I think still in the hospital.
Though bad to say everytime that has happened Robert has blasted the guy out in 42 seconds...
Either way its going to be short night either way for Guerrero cuz I'm sure he wants to get back to his wife.

 

Guerrero is a mean dude. When he was coming up that nick he had "The Ghost" was fitting. He was slick and could box the hell out of you. Somewhere along the line though he got a mean streak and he's now one of the sickest body punchers in the sport....not to mention one of the dirtiest fuckers out there. He's willing to do anything to win.

 

Sure is, I am a fan for some reason. :bears:

 

McGirt strikes again. Wow.

 

Impressive performance by Ortiz, I am not sure why Pac-Hatton-Marquez was brought up, I think if anything he'd want a shot at a trinket first.

 

not sure how you can blame mcgirt for that L. arnaoutis just wasn't as good.

 

I agree...

If Julio has a chin, I think he dusts Kirkland.

 

Arnaoutis should've taken a knee. Not that it would've necessaily changed the out-come but it surely would've allowed him the chance to proceed without throwing lazy rght jabs.

Nontheless, it's impressive that Arnauoutis went the distance with both Torres (nearly beating him) and Holt, but was stopped in two by Ortiz.

Otiz, with his southpaw style, power and countering abilities could turn out to be a real star at 140.

Imagine Oritz veruse Holt? Or vesus Torres?

 

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Thanks for the unambiguous response.

If you're laughing at the prospect that Ortiz would have a chance against either of them, you'd better reconsider the fact that Arnaoutis went the distance with both of them but couldn't survive two rounds with Ortiz.

If that's the meaning of you laughter, I'd have to turn around and laugh at you as to how stupid it is that you'd consider either of those mathc-ups mismatches.

Especially considering that many thought Arnaotis was robbed against Torres.

 

he'S laughing because you mispelled versus in 2 different way.

 

In that case, sorry for my sharp tounge. I've had a few obviouslyand it's late where I'm located, not to mention a shitty typer.

 

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Its threads like this that make me sad I'm no longer an active poster in this forum.

1) The fights this weekend were easy to call (minus guerrero who is in for a world class ass-whooping whenever he steps up)

2) Victor Ortiz is the shit, my prediction just before was Ortiz KO 4, so I got what I expected, he is a very solid prospect.

3) I love me some James Kirkland. No he isn't very good. Yes he will get stopped brutally when he faces a puncher, but his story is amazing.

4) When Max Kellerman said that "many of those in the boxing community expect Julio to beat James" I almost vomitted in my mouth. Joel Julio is basura, that was the easiest fight of the night to predict.

In all I liked what I saw, (minus Guerrero the mierda one)

 

Thing is, Julio IS a puncher if nothing else. And Kirkland took his shots with no response.

Why does Kirkland have the reputation as having a bad chin? Has he been down a lot?

I'm not sure he doesn't beat everyone at 154. He'd be hell for Forrest.

 

Julio WASN'T a puncher last night. His punches had no meat on them. He was backing up and throwing arm punches 95% of the time.

And Jaws - you are an active poster.

 

Still can't believe Arnaoutis went 12 with Holt and Torres but was knocked out in 2 by Ortiz. It had to be Ortiz's south-paw stance. I don't think south-paws (like Arnaoutis) are used to or cognizant like orthodox punchers of being countered by a power hand over their jab. And that's what caught him. A straight left counter from a fellow south-paw, right over Arnaoutis' jab. After that punch, and then the upper-cut, he didn't know where he was.

Still, I can't help but think he could've extended Ortiz and given him a real gut check had he had the presence of mind to take a knee rather than simply cover up. Had he taken a knee, he would've been cognizant of Ortiz's looking to counter over his jab, would've doubled it up, and could've used his fast feet, tough chin, and decent power to have made it really tough on Ortiz.

But I guess he was either not experienced enough having been hurt, or just didn't have the presence of mind to take a knee because he was so hurt, but it obviously didn't happen. As a result, I think it was a perfectly legitimate and appropriate stoppage. Ortiz was on his way to doing what could've been some serious damage to Arnaoutis given the loss of his Mike's aability to defend himself, let alone return punches. So the referee in my eyes really had no choice.

I actually think it was some clever match-making by G. It was apparent Julio has no tolerance for fighting going backwards or the power he normally has going forward and there was no chance of Kirkland not backing Julio up.

Ortiz, you could see, was looking to counter Arnaoutis' jab since the bell rang - and it was a good guess that Arnaoutis, being a south-paw himself, would not be used to defending such tactics.

And then as far as the Guerrerro fight, there's no way Guerrero wouldn't have stopped that guy who basically held everytime Guerrero got close which didn't bother Robert at all because being the smart fighter he is, he just kept banging with his left while the "Chino Latino" nearly perpetually held his right hand. Too bad he was holding the wrong arm (he was holding Guerrerro's right hand while Guerrero beat him up with his left). Ha ha ha. Chino Latino did land some clean and quick shots. But you could tell Robert would've been too strong if the fight had gone on.

 

Exactly.

 

Julio needs to not be fat and fight at 147 where he can back people up and knock them out.

I didn't see his fight in Europe but his loss to Quintana certainly seemed to take the wind out of his sails. But I still think if he can make 147, or even just get in better shape at 154, and work on planting his feet and countering in bunches when's pressured, he has the talent and power to be a good fighter.

You can't watch Julio and deny he's not a naturally gifted fighter. I think he just needs to augment that with some better strategy, tactics and technique and he could be a champion.

Kirkland, ironically is pobably less talented than Julio, but as of now his winning a title seems almost eminent. He's a great fighter to watch. I love his blue collar approach. And he's not without strategy either. He's not an idiot in there. But he does have burning in his belly and that can help his cause but as some have said, it can also cause him to be too reckless. Anne Wolfe seems to be impressing upon him the need to think more in the ring and not just attack.

 

I can't beleive all the idiots who agreed with me on this thread :notallthere:

 

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Its quite apparent now that Julio isnt tough enough mentally to be a top fighter. He's in the same boat with Cintron. Both are good punchers, yet mental midgets who cant handle tough fights. Hell even against Quintana, Julio somewhat folded up mentally.

Julio's never gonna amount to his hype. And now, he's gonna be just a stepping stone for up and comers.

Hell, he and Cintron would make for a good fight. Battle to see who folds up first mentally.

 

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