IF dirrell faked it than why...

During post-fight, I think Dirrell understood what happened, but he was just upset that he was actually knocked out by Abraham. He knew he 'won' the fight, but he also knew that Abraham had khtfo, even if it was a foul.

 

I'm surprised there isn't more talk of how inept the doctors were in this fight. I was shouting at the TV when stupid ref Cole broke up fight in the middle of good action so that the doctors could look at the cut on AA. Then the doctors spend like 5 minutes actually working on the cut! Ridiculous! The doctor is supposed to look at the cut, ask the fighter if they can see, and then make a determination on whether or not to stop the fight; not work the cut as if they're a cut man!

 

EXACTLY!!!

i thought the same thing...the doctor STOPPED THE BLEEDING....Abraham received better care from the doctor than what his corner gave and for longer at that.

Either he says he can or can't continue...he shouldn't have treated him.

Much has been made of Cole missing the knockdown in the 10th...Dirrell had a second knockdown Cole also missed. As far as I'm concerned they cancel each other out.

 

This, 100%.

As I worded it before, Dirrell PURPUSEFULLY/DELIBERATELY rolled onto his fucking back.

This was not the action/body language of someone who is KTFO, this is the mark of someone who has complete control of your body.

When someone is KTFO, they are out on the spot, like Hatton, and even in the extreme case of a delayed reaction KTFO they would lost control of their body, and just slump to the canvas in a spazzy way.

It looks nothing like the way Dirrell held his face in his hands, then deliberately rolled over onto his back and started twitching.

It was as obvious faking as Griffin, how he has so many of you fooled I simply don't know.

 

Yeah, the ringside doctors did a great job on that cut. ::

Surprised they didn't stitch him up right there and then.

 

Some of you fuckers have obviously never seen the Randie Carver vs. Kabary Salem fight.

One minute the announcers were calling him a faking quitter, the next minute he was in a coma.

No fucking way he puts on a big show like that with 4 1/2 minutes left in the fight and that far ahead.............and then keeps up the act, improvising along the way for the next hour. He had already taken several Abraham bombs very well throughout the course of the fight. He just hadn't seen that final shot.

Either way it doesn't matter. He never would have been able to shake that off in time. Abraham rightfully gets a DQ either way and we move on. This won't hurt Abraham's career at all.

Also, I thought I'd never say this about an Andre Dirrell fight.............but I wouldn't mind seeing this again once the tournament is over. A rematch is definitely in order.

I thought it was a fantastic fight until Dirrell lost his bearings. He showed improvement in this fight. Hopefully he'll learn even more from this experience.

He's a much better fighter when he stays in the pocket. He's got enough pop, he doesn't have to fight like Cory Spinks in there.

 

I thought Dirrell was very good for the first 9 or so rounds, but then he went back to fighting like a turd and he was definitely getting tagged there at the end. Watching it with my brother and dad, we were all saying the same thing that even though Dirrell was way ahead on the cards it just had that feeling that he was about to get knocked out and wouldn't survive those last couple of rounds. Turned out to be correct, but not exactly how I imagined it.

I think AA takes him out in a rematch and I'd actually be surprised if Dirrell can come back from this fight at all. I wouldn't be shocked to see him drop out of the tournament. His chin has been cracked and it'll just be easier in the future for it to happen again. Even though he was clearly winning the fight, I think his confidence will take a blow as well from how it ended.

 

I can´t believe you are still discussing this. Nobody asked Abraham to nail Dirrell when he was down, so whatever Dirrell did afterwards is really not important. The DQ was justified and even if Dirrell exaggerated the blow, it surely hurt as hell. It would have put him at an even bigger disadvantage, when he was already struggling. If Dirrell continues and Abraham knocks him out afterwards, Dirrell is out of the tournament with two losses and has nowhere to go. We woudl be debating whether Abraham only stopped Dirrell, because of the illegal punch and what a fool Dirrell was to continue. As it stands he has the opportunity to advance to the semi-final and he already has a guaranteed big money rematch with Abraham at some stage. It would have been financially irresponsible to continue after such a bad foul. He had proven his point, rightful winner. Time to move.

 

Can't disagree with any of that. The argument isn't about that though, it's about whether Dirrell faked it or not.

Which is still significant, because after the Frock debacle, it shows Dirrell is even more bitch.

 

this fight had nothing to do with Randy Carver. Randy Carver was brutalized round after round by a dirty fighter. and that's why he died. Dirrell was hit with one shot that he didn't see.

i too think he was faking. and the reason he was faking is that the heat was being turned up on him. he was falling apart mentally and had two more rounds to go.

also, don't think for a second that Dirrell was as confident as every one else that he was on his way to winning.

 

Nah, I thought he looked absolutely horrible against Froch. He improved a lot. Yes, confidence is his problem. It took him 8 rounds or so before he turned into the guy he was during the Froch fight.

He needs to stay in the pocket during the whole fight. He totally abandons his game plan and actually becomes easier to hit and rough house once he starts to run because he totally loses his head and becomes confused in there. He was jabbing the shit out of Abraham when he stayed in the pocket, could see the return fire coming and Abraham could do nothing about it.

His corner did him no favors.

 

Nobe - I totally agree.

I can't deny I was impressed with Dirrell in the early going, looked much better than against Frock - but you have to consider this.

Facing a bummish turtle who does nothing but hide behind his guard and throw 5 power shots a round, it's easier to look good than someone like Frock who is in your face every second of the round.

When Dirrell faces another aggressive fighter, he'll behave just like he did against Frock.

It is funny though, how much better he looks, and how much more effective he is when he DOES stay in the pocket, like you said, when he runs, he just looks confused and desperate, and is much easier to tag and control.

But in regards to Dirrell faking, it's so fucking obvious I just can't believe so many of you think he wasn't.

Delayed reactions to getting hurt? Not uncommon - ie Vargas' telephone dance, getting hurt and taking a knee 2 seconds later etc.

Taking a punch, smirking, covering your face, deliberately rolling onto your back and twitching, then when the guy is DQ'd miraculously popping back up to your feet, clear eyes, not even wobbly?

Fucking COME ON!

And then to top it off, not even having a concussion?

Dirrell was the rightful winner and Arabham deserved to be DQ'd either way for the deliberate cheap shot, but Dirrell made fucking sure he would get that DQ, he wasn't taking any chances, so he faked it.

 

Point was Carver suffered from a delayed reaction and a large number of people thought he was faking his way out of the fight until it was too late.

It IS possible to lay yourself down on the canvas and be severely injured. You don't have to come crashing down in order to prove you are hurt.

Maybe it was a case like Jake mentioned and was a combination of a couple different things. He got hit in the temple just before he slipped on the canvas and then got caught with the extra shot on the chin, causing his brain to flop around in his head just a bit too much..........especially after the second one he wasn't expecting.

The reason fighters are vulnerable on the chin isn't because there is some sort of magic funny bone you just have to tap to get a guy out of there. It's because it basically acts as a swivel for your neck. Snap it hard enough or quick enough when it's not braced for impact and your brain gets scrambled around like a bobble head doll.

 

I don't know. I don't recall him popping back up, or being steady at any time.

Anyways, it's a moot point. It seems we agree that Abraham should have gotten DQ'd, even if it was unintentional and that Dirrell had reverted back to his stink self near the end of the fight when his corner told him to keep away from Abraham.

I come out of the fight thinking more highly of Dirrell, though God knows he is perfectly capable of stinking out the rest of his career and I don't think any worse of Abraham.

He had a tough style match-up in front of him, from a guy who put in a career best performance, and he proved once again that he is very fucking dangerous all the way up to the final bell of the fight.

I'll look forward to Abraham's next fight and probably dread Dirrell's next fight a little bit less then I normally do. I actually watched the Showtime card first because I thought Dirrell was going to stink it up worse then he did against Froch. Glad he didn't.

 

It's true you can get hurt by way of your neck, but it's nontheless true that it's a "funny bone" of sorts in the sense that the jaw, because it is hinged, can create vibrations throughout your skull when it is punched.

so it doesn't even need to be hit hard - just in the right spot, and without the opponent expecting it.

 

Well said. I was yelling at the television also.

All this being said - Dirrell deserved the win, but he faked the whole fucking thing imo

 

I don't know how anyone could watch that fiasco and think he was NOT faking.

 

OK I'll rephrase - Dirrell was hurt in the 10th and adjusted his strategy accordingly, fighting like a guy who knew remaining in harm's way would lead to a knockout.

He was nowhere nearly as aggressive in the minute and change of the 11th as he was at any other point in the fight. He planted his feet maybe twice in the aborted round, and spent the rest of it circling around the ring, throwing nothing of conviction.

Of course, Abraham really didn't land much of anything, either - at least not until the end of the fight.

 

As per usual, Jake knows the score.

This post is 100% accurate, apart from one thing - I think Arabham commited an intentional foul. He stopped to think about what he was doing, and threw the punch anyway.

 

Dirrell just left the hospital.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/03/28/dirrell.hospital/

 

"Abraham can never beat a true boxer," said Shaw. "Arthur is Winky Wright without the skills

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That's what I think as well. If you count the time from when Dirrell slipped,to the time time Abraham threw the punch. Both happened in the same second. It wasn't like he saw him down,looked at him and thought about throwing that punch. It was just getting caught up in the moment.

 

One of the few times I've seen Jake with a silly take on a fight. This includes the original post.

 

one thing's for sure, if Dirrell hadn't fallen to the canvas and twitched, they would not have disqualified Abraham, because aside from a knee-jerk response to Dirrell possible being hurt, there was no reason to disqualify him. it was a split-second response.

 

I agree.

I don't see why people are saying that it doesn't matter if Dirrell was faking. Of course Abraham fouled him, but it's not often you see a guy DQ'd for one foul. Especially one as common as hitting a guy when he's down. This shit happens all the time and usually it only ends in a DQ if the guy can't or won't continue (Jones-Griffin 1, Bowe-Mathis, Norris-Walker). Most of the times the ref does nothing, or just warns them. Lennox Lewis doing this against Mike Acey was WWAAAYYYY more blatant and dirty than what Abraham did and all he got was a warning. Once in awhile, the refs take a point away (Barrera-Marquez, Norris-Waters).

If Dirrell was able to continue on, Abraham probably would've just gotten a point deducted. So of course it matters a lot if Dirrell was acting or not. It separates the difference between a DQ win and a point deduction while the fight continues on.

 

The ending of that fight sucked. The docs allowing a post-fight interview sucked. A man knowing he is going to cash in on a foul doesn't say that he lost first. Abraham hit him while he was down, which is not that horrible. His thought that Dirrell was faking is reasonable doubt. His vehement denial that a foul happened at all is inane.

 

Abraham clearly saw he was down. He knew what he was doing, I have no doubt. I watched the replay a bunch of times.

 

I don't think Dirrell faked it. No matter what it looked like what convinces me is how he acted afterwards. He serously had no clue what happened. His camp was telling him he won.

 

On things like this I usually go by my first impression and that was Dirrell getting KTFO.

I'm going to rewatch it again.

 

Dirrell got KO'd by a jab ::