IF dirrell faked it than why...

Dirrell was clearly winning the fight. Outboxed Abraham all night and even dropped his ass.

Why would he fuck up his own night when he is close to finishing it? it's stupid!

I know some people hate Dirrell and expected him to be on his bike against Abraham all night.

But at some point you have to credit the guy. He used movement but he stood his ground when he had to and landed on Abraham several times.

To asume the guy faked it doesn't make any sense to me.

 

"Zoom In".. Latinking, "Zoom In".. a bit more,.. you are skirting too far around the fringes my pet.

 

Exactly!!!
People will look back on this fight and eventually agree that Dirrell was not faking! Doesn't seem logical to fake something like that when he was well ahead on points! He would get found out and have himself removed from the tournament and all the months of training gone to waste!
Abraham was well behind on points, was getting beat, lost the plot and in one last attempt to try to win the fight, saw an opportunity to KO his opponent, but, in the most appalling of ways and was deservedly DQ!

 

How can a person go through all that and not have a concussion? For those who thought he wasn't faking it ,answer my question.

 

What makes you think he wasn't concussed? MRI detects brain bleeds not concussions. Somebody misspoke in that first article shown............probably that loudmouth Gary Shaw who's in a permanently concussed state half the time himself.

In the second Sports Illustrated article it was made clearer he didn't have a brain bleed or swelling of the brain. It also said he was nauseous and felt sick to his stomach leaving the hospital three hours later. I've had a couple concussions myself, it sounds like a concussion to me.

 

I predict it will now become fashionable on internet boxing boards to ironically type "He's faking it", everytime a boxer gets KTFO!


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I don't think most know what a concussion is.

The Mayo Clinic-

Concussions range in significance from minor to major, but they all share one common factor — they temporarily interfere with the way your brain works. They can affect memory, judgment, reflexes, speech, balance and coordination.
Usually caused by a blow to the head, concussions don't always involve a loss of consciousness. In fact, most people who have concussions never black out. Some people have had concussions and not even realized it.

Signs and symptoms of a concussion may include:

• Confusion
• Amnesia
• Headache
• Dizziness
• Ringing in the ears
• Nausea or vomiting
• Slurred speech
• Fatigue

I'm no doctor, but it seems he suffered a concussion to me.:dunno:

 

Maybe if Dirrell didn't give an Academy Award winning performance when he was interviewed and if this happened in the 5th round I MIGHT buy it. But in the 11th?

Pressure or not, Dirrell knew he had a big lead and one round to go. Clinching, running like DLH, the guy had options and I don't think risking a ko loss because an inept ref made the wrong call and having to be Tom Hanks would be the first choice.

Dude was still out of it right before he walked into his dressing room.

 

the fact that he wasn't kept under observation for the night tend to point out he wasn't concussed either. People I know who had one were kept under observation for the night even when the symptoms were minor. A nurse come every hour to make sure you don't fall aslepp. Dirrell, who looked like he was about to die, was in & out of the hospital in a hurry, probably because the doctors were more than confident that he wasn't concussed. And I'd think that his team would be more than happy to say that Abraham cheap shot gave him a concussion, that they don't once again makes me believe he had nothing. And, once again, I'm no neurologist, but I highly doubt you react the way he did , from a blow to the head, and are not concussed, and a severe one at that.

 

BNB, you're a doctor, so you're probably more credible than anyone here to say if what I say makes sense or if I talk a bunch of shit

 

Maybe in Canada dude, but here in the good ol' USA, ain't no Insurance company paying for an overnight stay for a concussion unless there's a brain bleed or swelling to go along with it.

There was a big problem in the NFL because players would sometimes suffer from a concussion and be back out on the field before the end of the game.

Like TexMex said, I don't think most people know what a concussion is.

 

This is true. A friend of mine was diagnosed with a concussion years ago, he was maybe 12 years old, and they released him to his mother's care almost immediately. She was told to wake him up every hour, and to keep a large bucket or similar at his bedside for the constant vomiting.

I still fail to understand the motivation for Dirrell to fake being dazed, and if I cannot somehow empathize with the motivation then I just can't see it happening. Whoever is painting the picture that Abraham was "coming on" and other such nonsense needs to re-watch the fight. Dirrell began fighting like he did against Froch, which changed the dynamic of the fight later on, but Abraham was still relatively ineffective. In fact, if you look at how Abraham was snapping at his corner, and the fact that he knowingly took the foul shot on Dirrell, you realize that he himself was extremely frustrated and probably thought he was going to lose.

Now keep in mind that Dirrell did that sort of running ALL FIGHT against Froch and didn't end up dropped or KO'd. So how is it that now all of a sudden Mr. Bicycle himself Andre Dirrell can't pedal around and hold for 5 minutes and coast to a victory in a fight he is dominating on the cards? And against a tired, cut up opponent to boot? If anything, he should have felt more comfortable as the fight expired as I think he is (unfortunately) more at home with the "running" style than the one he exhibited through most of the Abraham fight.

Also, as I have said before, his "act" was so ridiculous and so poorly done it HAD to be real. Why would you continue to play stupid for 20 minutes after you already know you've won? What possible gain could you get from answering Jim Grey's questions like an idiot, having your whole entourage jumping in and trying to stop you from saying you lost, or you got dropped, correcting you over and over? Also, you all assume that Dirrell (not dumb, but certainly not a brilliant fellow) somehow laid on the floor after getting clocked in the jaw by a power punch from Abraham and he calmly formulated a plan to pretend he was hurt so that... what?

So that Abraham loses a point or two and Dirrell then loses the fight? Or so that Dirrell gets counted out and loses? Or he is simply unable to continue and loses? A fighter's instinct is to GET UP when they get knocked down, NOT to come up with a convoluted scheme that probably won't help them anyway. Dirrell is young. There is just no fucking way I can possibly see him getting hit with an Abraham jab, then slipping, then getting hit with an Abraham power punch at close range, and then calmly thinking through this grand scheme to bitch out of the fight. I am pretty damn certain that immediately after the foul shot he wasn't even sure whether or not he got counted out as he lay there. Why take such a stupid gamble when you can just get up... unless of course you can't get up.

Odd things happen when you have blunt force trauma to the head. Sometimes you are dazed, sometimes you have minor involuntary body movement, sometimes you even mumble to yourself or make facial expressions. That's what happens when your brain just got shaken up inside your skull, people.

 

I think Dirrell had a mild concussion, from the flush right from Abraham that sent him to the canvas in the 10th. He was shaky the whole fight until then, which is why he suffered a 2nd KD in the 11th from that Abraham jab. Then the ref failed to step in, and Abraham erroneously swung and landed a mediocre at best shot on the chin even though his guy was down. Then Dirrell completely faked it like a bitch, because he was hurt and scared and knew he'd go through hell to have any chance to make it the final 5 minutes. He was scared because he was hurt, so he quit.

 

This is bullshit! I've had my fair share of concussions from playing football and I wasn't kept under observation. Get the fuck outta here with this bullshit. I'll Holla 5000

 

This post here is total bullshit and you know it. I'll Holla 5000

 

Yes you were. You were flipping out on your bed, talking backwards, and people in white coats stood there, observing you. You were this close from having Father Merron come in with Father Karras and do things to you with their crucifixes.

 

Were you unconscious ???? Sure they'll let you go quickly when the symptoms are minor, but I doubt it would be the case if you had been unconscious and shaking like Dirrell was
they are degrees of concussion, some are minor, some are major. Dirrell exhibited the symptoms of one of the worst case, I may be wrong, but I doubt he would be in and out of the hospital so quickly with those symptoms unless he was 100% cleared. And that his pr team doesn't say that he was diagnosed as being concussed, wich would clear pretty much all claim that he faked, something Abraham team keeps saying, tend to make me think he wasn't concussed.

 

Pretty Much

 

Now Shaw claims that Dirrell did suffered from a concussion

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=41588#more-41588

 

Yes, same 'defensive' vibe one gets like that of the team behind the Pedquiao scandal.

But I dont know why they're going to a bit of effort to cover it up,.. Arabham gave Dirrell an 'out' as soon as he hit him on the floor,.. Dirrell didn't need to act, he just had to lie down, and the disqualification would have been his without any issues.

 

Indeed, wether he faked or not, Abrahamd had to be dqed for this

 

Abraham's actions came out of FRUSTRATION for being completely outboxed. He committs the FOUL and we talk of Dirrell?

Come on, fouls could change fights. Abraham was more and more desperate and was bound to walk into something.

Dirrell is a RISING star. He is learning to be busy with meaningful punches and good bodywork. He didn't run, he didn't potshot, he got hit a couple times with good right hands but was OUTWORKING him in every way.

Looking forward to seeing Dirrell again.