If Marquez upsets Pacquiao...

Meldrick Taylor :: After being schooled in almost every round mind.

Not exactly a brilliant best win is it?

If Marquez does beat Pacquiao, which is a big if, one would have to be mad to rank Chavez over him.

The reason he didn't lose in his prime was because he fought scrubs.

 

This is boxing. Winning on points is still winning.

 

That's like saying this is boxing, Lara lost to Paul Williams in the end. Except that instead of being a victim of a terrible decision by the judges, Taylor was the victim of a terrible decision by the referee. By all rights, he should have won that fight.

 

Has JMM been fighting at 147 for a while prior to fighting Pacquiao at that weight? If so then it's not the same. He had no prior fights nor time to acclimate to the weight before fighting Floyd. On the other hand if he hasn't been acclimating to the weight and goes right into a Pacquiao bout, then it is the same thing.

Also for it to be fair both Pacquiao and JMM need to come in at the same weight. If Pacquiao comes in above the agreed upon weight and just elects to pay a fine then it'd be unfair, you know kind of how it was when JMM fought Floyd Mayweather, the guy who cheated on the scales.

 

I agree that wins>losses

 

Your stupidity is legendary.

 

No, JMM hasn't been fighting at 147.

The Mayweather Jr/Marquez bout was a welterweight fight with an agreed upon penalty for coming in over a catchweight. Floyd elected to weigh in at the welterweight limit and pay the contractual penalty rather than sweat off a couple of lbs, simply because he felt like it.

Was it arrogant and hubristic that he didn't even bother trying to make the catchweight? Yes.

Was it cheating? No.

Was it perfectly within his rights to do so? Yes.

Would it have made a difference? No.

 

:giggle:

 

You're a dumbfuck.

 

Chavez won that fucking fight fair and square

 

In that case I'd say that when it comes to JMM then yes Pacquiao should be judged the same as Floyd when it comes to the weight. In fact I'd go so far as saying Pacquiao would have been better off not taking the JMM fight unless Pacman was able to get himself down to at least 140 and makes things a bit more fair for JMM.

As it stands Pacquiao puts himself in a no win situation. If he wins he was supposed to. I mean he's been absolutely tearing up the competition and JMM isn't a natural welter by any means. If Pacquiao loses then whether or not JMM has his number will be irrelevant, it will still look really really bad for Pacman.

I feel just as opposed to Pacquiao fighting JMM at 147 then I did when Floyd did it. At the same time Manny's actually earned a soft touch; however if he definitively beats JMM he shouldn't look to far into thinking it means all that much, given JMM's aging and weight disadvantage.

 

Manny's earned a soft touch? After fighting Clottey, post-Mosley/handwraps Margarito, and the post-Floyd Shane who struggled with Sergio Mora... ?

BTW those who feel Marquez was so ineffective against Floyd due to the weight should actually view this fight as even worse than the Floyd fight - because according to them it's already been established that JMM can't fight over 140.

 

Uhh, yeah, those were all the toughest guys in the divison along with Cotto. And are you trying to say Shane was a soft touch for Manny? Because if so you're effectively saying he was a soft touch for Floyd too, because honestly Shane looked like shit against Floyd, Mora, and Pacquiao. He was the same guy in all 3 fights, so if he wasn't a competitive match for Manny than Floyd gets the same treatment.

Only difference is Floyd gets the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know how washed up Mosley was whereas Manny should have seen the writing on the wall. Manny likely knew but wanted that name on his resume and the money that went with it.

 

Bullshit. It's anything but "fair and square" when the ref waves it off with TWO FUCKING SECONDS left after giving Taylor less than a millisecond to answer the question of whether he was OK. I remember Taylor just looking at Steele like "what the fuck!? are you serious??" when he waved it off. Steele robbed Taylor, plain and simple.

 

steele earned himself a new caddy

 

The difference is that Shane looked great in his fight previous to Floyd, where he destroyed Margarito. Floyd fought Shane coming off a huge and dominant win, Pac as usual fought Shane coming off of a devastating and embarrassing loss to Floyd and an eked out victory over Mora.

 

pacquiao didnt want shit. pacquiao fights whoever he is told by arum.

 

That is the 2nd time in a row you basically reiterated what I already said in my post you quoted.

 

Well I guess that's the difference between Floyd and Pacquiao. Arum tells Floyd to fight a tough fight and Floyd gets tired of it and fires Arum, Pacquiao just takes the damn tough fights.

I guess you can look at it that Floyd may be his own man by dictating who he fights and when and that's great for the Floyd fans, but with that, the boxing fans suffer.

I think some of y'all need to look in the mirror and ask which one are you?

 

it is tough to educate some people. mayweather jr. left arum so that he could get the fight against delahoya. do you realize this or should i reiterate it?

 

That is one of the reasons he left. Floyd was saying he planned to leave Arum before his contract even ended. He was already criticizing Arum long before that as they rarely got along.

 

it was the main reason and it was an excellent decision. as it turns out mayweather jr has done a much better job of promoting himself than arum ever did for him. his contract didnt end either, he bought his way out

 

We get Marquez-Khan next?

 

Yes Sir, he did.

 

nevermind the fact that Shane was off for a year and a half between the Margarito and Floyd fights.

 

.. or that Floyd was off for a year himself before the Margarito fight?

It's neither fighters fault that the other guy didn't fight anyone between when they had their last fight and signed to fight each other. Mosley certainly had plenty of time, they signed that fight exactly 1 year after he fought Margarito.

 

Floyd has a tune up if he is out for a while. He didn't come back from a year off and fight Mosley.

BUT, I'm not arguing with you, I know what you're going to say and I'm sure you know what I'm going to say. We went over this before. :: I'd rather just be civil cause you know this ain't going anywhere good.