Interesting Little Snippet From Maxboxing,..

:dunno: I only state the facts, the various nuisances Fraud provides in hyper abundance all by himself. :nono: My obsession and hatred has alot of ammunition, whereas Fraud's-groupies are desperate in thier efforts to dig up as much grit as they can on the 'insignificant' Margarito, they'll cling to the tiniest little minerals, ironically, they'll perseverate felonies that Fraud has already comitted 200 times previously.

As I said Erratic, if your an undenouncing Fraud-groupie, and you go to criticize another fighter on virtually anything, more than likely there's been a contradiction made. This is where I become a thorn in peoples sides.

 

I never said I had a problem with it.

I understand the reasons why he left Top Rank, and why Arum made the public offer of $8 million for Margarito.

But that all happened well before Spinks or Baldomir entered the picture.

Some people act like Mayweather chose Baldomir for some reason other than because it wasn't a tough fight and wouldn't jeopardize the DLH fight.

 

And some people act like Mayweather getting more money to fight Baldomir after spending money to get away from Arum was a bad idea.

Saying that a fight with Margarito was a tougher fight is based on guesswork, not on recent work by the guy. That gets back to my point about what Margarito had done in the previous year vs what Baldomir had done in the previous 10 months.

Lest we not forget, it's not like Floyd immediately sought out Baldomir in the first place. Cats are acting like Floyd had an agenda to fight Baldomir all along when the truth is...

Baldomir didn't KO Gatti until June...

Floyd bought out his contract with Arum in April...

What the revisionist historians ALSO fail to recall is that originally the November fight was centered around Shane Mosley after Mosley KO'd Vargas that July. Shane being the GB partner he is, gave a BS reason to not upset the GB plan of the DLH fight that next May.

So again I ask...why was Baldomir a bad choice seeing that the money was the same, it's a linear title which haters bitched at Floyd about because he wasn't that at 140?

 

Notorious E.A.N.E.R...

I see you reading homie...jump in anytime you want. ::

 

I never said that I had a problem with him leaving Top Rank or fighting Baldomir...but please don't try to suggest Baldomir is/was a tougher fight.

Frankly, it was embarrasssing to actually read writers suggest Baldomir was a challenge to Mayweather, or that Mayweather was at one point "ducking" Baldomir.

Both arguments were laughable.

As for who the tougher fight was, you can make the easy case that it's always guesswork if two fighters have never fought, but it really shouldn't have taken much analysis to come to the conclusion that Margarito's style would likely be more difficult (or to put it another way, not as easy)...or at least realize that Baldomir wasn't a welterweight version of Castillo (an argument profferred by some in the meida).

Yeah, I got it...Mosley was on vacation and DLH was on his boat. Thanks for the history lesson.

 

:nono: You're quite arbitrary on what is bullshit and what isn't, you wont buy Mosely's grievences, but you'll buy Fraud having 'sore hands' as to the reason why he couldn't fight Margarito initially, then ofcourse, the snowball of excuses turned into deems of 'worthyness' from Boxing's most fabulous keeper..

Cintron had 'sore hands' too didn't he, :nono: :eeeek: Oh wait, we've already established that,..

Question,...do you write for Boxingtalk? :tease:

 

Since you added the last part, I'll say - as I've said before - I had and have no problem with it.

But Mayweather wasn't fighting Baldomir because he had the linear title.

 

Here's the rub, the mixture of all of this is precisely what happened. And no matter how it was spun, it always boiled down to Floyd ducking Margarito or somebody which was bullshit to begin with.

The only thing Floyd could have done is called Arum's bluff, but since he was done with Arum he didn't waste his time.

To further extend the history lesson...everyone knew that any potential fight with Oscar was a 2007 event. Oscar fought in May and hadn't fought twice in a year since 2004.

Not to mention, he had shoulder issues after the Mayorga fight at said at the time he was done for the year. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that there wasn't any real movement regarding a fight with Oscar prior to Cinco de Mayo2007...that's why Mosley's name popped up.

 

And he wasn't fighting Margarito because Bob Arum said so either.

 

I never said Mayweather ducked anyone, not Margarito and not Baldomir...but you could find examples of both in the press of both...which doesn't say much about the press.

I don't fault Mayweather for the course he took, it was in his best interest to do exactly what he did.

Everybody knew DLH only fights in May and September b/c of the holidays, so once he had the teleconference to say he was going on his boat and would be off until '07 (and that he was only looking at Mayweather)...it was clear what the deal was and Mayweather knew his part in all of it.

 

If Fraud didn't duck Margarito, then there's no such thing as one fighter ducking another one, this should be the precedent to render this subject obsolete once and for all. I can't think of a better example of one fighter ducking another one since Bowe - Lewis.

And yeah,...:crafty: why didn't Fraud "call Arum's bluff"...he had TWO oppurtunities,....:dunno: fear that it might be real perhaps?..

By the way, I've never heard, nor have the Fraud camp ever mentioned, a stipulation in the Margarito fight contract, that would obligate Fraud to represent Top-rank for an extended period of time. If there WAS such a stipulation, I'd have probably accepted that 'excuse' long ago, still with a bit of propensity towards Fraud fearing Margarito, ofcourse :stir: .

 

Mayweather was the IBF champ and Margarito was the WBO champ.

Floyd gave up his belt rather than fight his mandatory Mark Suarez (who later lost to Cintron).

You'd have a better case if you said Mayweather ducked Suarez than Margarito.

 

I seriously doubt Fraud would fight Suarez anyway, he murdered Fraud in sparring sessions, and is the biggest welterweight this side of Paul Williams. Fraud wasn't going anywhere near the big welters with brute strength and pop, he'd much rather participate in a skit designed for his induction ceremony into the Golden Boy Promotions enterprize.

When it comes to Fraud, the fans are certainly the winners. I think that much we can agree on Muzse. :cheer:

 

You think Shane would rather go to the dentist and then go on vacation (with his business-oriented wife) than make upwards of $10 million to fight Floyd Mayweather?

Shane may be the boss of Oscar inside the ring, but outside the ring it's a different story.

 

:nono: Mosely is credible, that's the difference, he's a gem, a beauty, his rap sheet is squeaky clean, this is the guy who gives avoided contenders oppurtunities, for example, Shane MADE Winky Wright.

Fraud's ''fill-out'' cessating resume since 2002, is abysmal at best. It cries tip toe through the tulips, a 1 to 80 acceleration on the Julio Cesar Chavez speedometer, if you know what I mean :nono: .

 

U've just EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY Floyd DIDN'T Face Margarito...

Yet Peeps STILL wanna Say Floyd "Ducked" Margarito???...Best Believe,if Margarito had the Option to Face Floyd OR DeLa,he'd have Made the SAME Decision that Floyd Did...



REED

 

NOW U're Acting like Brian Kinney WASN'T RIDING Floyd's Ass During this Point N Time,Because he DIDN'T Fight Baldomir...


REED:dunno:

 

Ah, sorry Reed, this is a bit misconstrued as usual,..

Fraud said Gatti was the truth, and claimed he was the champion of 140, he then went on to say that his upcoming fight with Zab was for the welterweight championship of the world, ------Brian Kinney simply let Fraud know, that he wasn't in the company of yes men, like he is amongst his management, or on Greg Leon's computer in Boxingtalk chat. Brian Kinney didn't ride Fraud's arse about fighting Baldomir at all, he CORRECTED him, and infact RIDICULED Baldomir, by stating that Zab (Fraud's next opponent) was beaten by a journeyman who couldn't afford to pay for three sanctioning fees.:: ,..thus making Zab's IBF belt, complete and utter paper, and Zab himself an embarrasing opponent for Fraud to be facing.

and you actually took Fraud's side on this debate??? Now that's what I call a deliberately irrational, uncompromising groupie.

 

To get back to the original point...

Maxb is a site that I read frequently, and while they don't have the same conversational style as say a btalk they are just as much "he said, she said" when it comes to their info. They were in the right when they wrote about the Hopkins-Bouie Fisher situation. They never backed up the claim in Steve Kim's "Cheato Trinidad" article (though he never recieved flack for it, the implications were huge, and there was NO follow-up.) This time, there's NO question about how they handled things with Margarito. Until proven otherwise, their statement is that the Mayweather-Baldomir number is inflated, and unless someone makes a legal threat or something, there is no impetus to change that idea.

Having said that, I have yet to see ANY evidence presented by Arum (WHICH HE EXPKICITLY STATED HE WOULD SHOW, similar to the investigation of DLH-Mosley III) that the 8 mil is fake. I'd like to know Arum's current stance; HBO's documentation; the NSAC (which according to some posters CLEARLY said 8 mil, but I don't know that personally)...

Bottom line, this is something that is relatively EASY to verify, and it gets a throwaway style line by someone other than the big two writers on their website? Interesting way to do it. It's similar to early this year when it was "leaked" that Curt Schilling had faked the bloody sock with the Red Sox...

 

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the $8 million was real. That's why I said either Steve & Doug flat out lied about never seeing any proof or they simply didn't do their homework.

It's one or the other.

Like Jake said, prior to the fight Arum made a big deal out of proving the $8 million wasn't real then you never heard another word about it from him.

Also, in the recap article in USA Today, Chuck Johnson quoted a purse of $8 million for Floyd and $1.6 million for Baldomir.

 

I've tried scratching everywhere around the net, and can't find another source to extrapolate Maxboxing's conclusion, I'd love to know where he recieved his information from :dunno: . :crafty: Still, it was pleasant to exasperate some groupies, couldn't help but capitalise on the oppurtunity.