is calzaghe one of the best fighters ever

Let's see where this thread is at when Jones makes Calzaghe quit.:flip:

 

He is a great fighter. Like some of you said, his level of opp drops him down a bit and lets see if he beats Jones which I don't think he will.

it is funny though, that Hopkins who has a far worse level of comp is automatically assumed to be an atg when his level of comp is worse. I will tell you this, Joe would beat Pavlik and he sure as fuck would not lose twice to Jt.

 

He must have seen the Mundine ko. That was scary.

 

I have been a believer in Calzaghe for a long time, pretty much since 2001 and was outspoken about it and took some verbal heat for it as he was no one and at that time I seemed to be making grandoise claims, looking back now brings a smile to my face.:crafty:

Anyone who is picking Roy in the upcoming fight can find me in the Bets and Wagers area:stir:

 

Top 100...

 

,... yeah 80 or so places behind Hopkins of whom he beat,... as usual, if your going to pump Hopkins up,.. you just cant have it both ways skin man :crafty:.

 

Hopkins is top 20-25...

Duran is top 10 all time....Hearns KNOCK HIM THE FUCK OUT....that doesn't mean Hearns should be ahead of Duran...

Careers...Calzaghe doesn't come close to Hopkins....

 

You reckon?.. ..Im trying to think of a 'name' Hopkins beat at thier optimum weights and all I can come up with is Tarver. He fought other good fighters at thier optimum weights ofcourse, but lost to virtually all of them.

:: One question that will prove your ills,..

....Do you count De La Hoya on Hopkins resume?...:::::::::shit: most people do, which is a true testament to what Hopkins is all about.

For 97% of his career,.. he, just like Calzaghe fought mandatories,.. but Calzaghe, who's smaller physically than Hopkins,.. fought larger mismandatories and eventually late in his career, beat opponents who proved they were effective at the weight Calzaghe fought them.

 

Roy is going to give Calzone a real beating

 

I count everybody in Hopkins resume...DLH/Trinidad/Jones/Pavlik/Calslappy/etc..etc..

Calzaghe has a nice run going..fighting Lacy/Kessler..two good fighters..and now FINALLY fighting the greatest fighters of his generation.....but not until they show a bit of decline in their previous fights..though...:cheer:

6-7 years ago he wouldn't even be in the same arena as Roy JOnes..from the fear...

 

I wont argue that Roy has a better resume than Calzaghe,... that is true.

Hopkins on the other hand,.. is elusive in every facet of life, he's cunning manipulative criminal trash afterall,... another hurtful element to your argument for Hopkins is the fact that,.. back in 2002,.. there was much contraversy regarding Hopkins, who initially agreed to the terms to fight Joe,...but rang up demanding 4 times the perce a week later (that sounds familiar doesnt it?) ...and subsequently, bitched his way out of the fight,.. the messageboard "Illuminati's" at the time,...cried in Hopkins defence,.... you mink imperialist tid-bit.

 

Bullshit...Jones would have beat Joe back in the day, but it would have been closer than a lot of haters would like to add- no-one beats Joe easily...

For the record- anyone who wants to be bet that Jones beats Joe next month can find me right here- I'll lay 2-1 Jones right here and I'll lay up to $50 per bet (three bets max). You fools are deranged...

MTF

 

I can't believe people think Calzaghe is a better overall fighter than Lennox Lewis. While Calzaghe was ducking Ottke and Michalzwskei Lennox was knocking off top 10 contender after top 10 contender and he didn't care about styles, how much power they had, or how good their chins were, he just went in and won. "WHO" even claims LL would have lost to Vitali when there is absolutely nothing to indicate that. Vitali lost, period and LL wasn't close to losing that fight.

Look Joe's comp stunk over the majority of his career and even his own promoter said he lacked a true belief in himself. Joe's still great but I don't see in what way anyone can claim he's greater than Lewis, because that 0 on his resume' says more about the competition of his division than it does of him.

We've seen Lewis beat every manner of HW, short guys with great chins, and power, big guys with great chins and power, skilled guys, newbies, dominate champions, you name it Lennox fought them and he won. Can you say the same about Joe's comp? I don't think you can and beating up on great fighters who are lesser versions of themselves now to make up for those times he was too scared to do it in the past isn't worth the same weight.

 

I think it's of America's doing Lib four Lib,... there's been an anti-heavyweight sentiment ever since Riddick Bowe decided, with Holyfield's arse in one hand, to drop the heavyweight title in the bin with the other,..

Now all these smaller men have become 'real fighters' , and the monsters have become ''pathetic, soft and weak'',... despite the fact that they would swallow midgets like a shark through mackeral.

 

Actually I tend to agree with them on that thinking. My only problem is that Lennox was the last of the dominate HW's who would fight anyone. Although I think Vitali is a close 2nd he wasn't quite able to prove it due to the death of the division and his inability to stay healthy.

 

Correction. He's the GREATEST 168 pounder ever... Roy was the best.

 

The prick also swears Roy ducked him.

Calz and Roy both would have pitched shut outs over slow ass Collins.

 

Well Lib four Lib, midgets don't have the burden of 250lbs of gravity on them,.. nor do midgets get slugged with tree trunk arms coming out of tree-trunk torso's and legs, a featherweight would recieve neck damage from Wlad's best jab, midgets have got it very very easy, especially these days.

 

of course, that's why the majority of injured/dead boxers are in the higher weights right? as usual, you're talking out of your ass. Moron.

 

:nono: Uh, uh, uh, that's just natures way of telling midgets to stop boxing, heavyweights dont get injured because they punch so hard as to inform the system to switch off, and restart in safety mode. Midget punches are harmless to the nerves, but insidious to the swivelling brain, so although it feels like a pillow fight, sometimes they collapse and die,... but so what?..where's the 'pain' in that?, falling asleep after a half hour pillow fight?...you're not aware that you died, Id rather that than being hit by a bus over and over again.

 

I think Joe did pretty well for himself

I hope have Roy brutally embarasses him, he'll call it quits and go open up a resturant in Hamburg

maybe call it "Hamburgers in Hamburg"

 

Quick answer...no.

Reasonable answer...no.

Let's say Calzaghe beats Jones, I don't look at that any differently than Marciano beating Joe Louis. I doubt anyone gives Marciano a reasonable chance against a prime Louis. Same with Jones vs Calzaghe.

Calzaghe's win over Hopkins...did he really "beat" Bernard? No. In fact, even HE said he had to "slap" to get the win.

 

hey...you do what you gotta do right...::

 

The Marciano v Louis and Calzaghe v Jones comparison would be valid...if it wasn't for the fact that Louis was the 3-1 betting favourite (like Calzaghe); not Marciano.

 

I'm talking results...not betting favorites.

 

And Im talking about perception, which is all we (as fan) have to go on. Marciano's win over Louis is a big win. Far bigger than Calzaghe's impending slapfest over Jones Jr.

It's not on topic, but beating Louis at that stage of both fighters careers is greatly underrated by this generation of fans, IMO.

 

It was actually 2002, and Hopkins did so more so to spite King than because he feared Joe. King decided he wanted a larger slice of the pie than Hopkins deemed fair... which is why Bernard's last two fights under contract were Hakkar for less than $1 million, and Joppy for $300,000.

 

dsimon writes:

I like both guys but... no its not! talk to somoene who was around then to get a perspective and one will see among other things:

Louis was fighting for the money. The government has already started their shit with the poor guy.

Louis was not nearly as good as he was in the past (this was the perception) hence, favorite or not, it was not based on Lewis being in prime form.

Marciano was perceived as damn good, Louis was precieved as mythical.

 

I regularly speak with a guy who has been in the gym with both guys and that isn't the view at all.

Perception.

 

Uh oh. :stir::stir: