Is it accurate to say Roid is HEARTLESS ?

he certainly bitched out of the first Griffin fight where he was being schooled

 

All fighters have heart. This is silly. Some fighters want it more than others, and all fighters {outside of a select handful} are found wanting eventually. End of story.

 

I'm not saying Roy never showed heart in his career, but what I will say is the Ruiz fight isn't a good example of it IMO. In order for RJJ to even take the Ruiz fight Ruiz had to agree to such ridiculous financial demands that it was basically an offer Roy couldn't refuse. If Ruiz hadn't wanted the fight so bad, it would have been just another in a long list of fights Roy talked about but never went through with.

I think Roy showed heart in the first Griffin fight when he was facing a guy just as good as him (on that night) and he dealt with it adjusted and was on his way to winning.

 

You know how I can spot a newbie? When someone defines a career at the end. Can you imagine hearing how Ali had no heart, just look at the Holmes fight.......pppffftttt.

 

Are you IMPLYING that Roid was as shot in the fights he lost as Ali was in the Holmes fight ? :doh:

 

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen on these forums...and that's saying a lot. To knock Roy Jones for lack of heart and then give props to...Andrew Golota?

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And Kaliber what kind of dumb sh*t is this? "he EEEEEked it out not gutted it out."

The fukk? That's exactly what gutting it out is, genius. And yeah, that took plenty of heart. You wanna harp on what he did when he was 37??? How many fighters show a lack of will at that age? Tell me, how "gutty" did Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Jose Louis Castillo look in their most recent bouts??

And don't tell me Jones didn't show heart in his prime - you don't GIVE UP YOUR TITLE, move up a division to fight the #2 p4p fighter in the world if you don't have heart.

Or give an immediate rematch to a fighter who just gave you the toughest fight of your career. Or fight him a third time fresh off a nearly two year layoff in your first bout back.

The funny thing is you trying to make it sound like Golota has more heart!!

:laughing: I'm sorry man, can't stop laughing at that. Dude, just quit while you're ahead (or behind) - like your hero.

 

:doh:

 

this IS the dumbest thread ever. To even debate Roy vs Golata is absurd:laughing:

 

He sucked it up against Tarver in the first fight, and he made the move to heavyweight against Ruiz. People can try to bag on his heart, but he started out as a middleweight champ. He was so talented that he rarely NEEDED to show heart. :dunno:

 

Golota has had his bad moments. And God knows it was tough for those of us who were fans of his.

But let's not pretend RJJ ever showed the ferocity or determination that Golota did in the second Bowe fight. And that's in spite of what would amount to his quitting in that fight.

And he certainly showed heart against Pouha and Sanders.

What drove Golota nuts is if a fighter could get him out of his ryhthm.

 

I think this is spot on. We don't know very much about his heart or chin because he rarely needed those assets in his prime. He did challenge him a couple of times (Toney, Ruiz) but even his fans must admit he wasn't always looking for the biggest fights. Also when his confidence was upset (Griffin I, Johnson, Tarver III) he didn't do well.

Calling Roid heartless is strech but I do think he wasn't very brave for a fighter, even though he was probably the most talented of them all.

Btw what is this thing about Golota. How much heart he had or lacked has very little to do with Jones:dunno:

 

roy showed plenty of heart in the first tarver fight. he was visibly tired from the 2nd round or so. it was obvious.

 

What ferocity and determination did Golota show against Bowe in that second fight that was any different than what Jones showed even against a guy like Richard Hall?

Please.

The only thing Golota showed in that second fight was that he was even more heartless than we thought. How do you manage to DQ yourself a second time after having it beaten through your head for months, having the media laugh at you and being well-ahead on the cards...AGAIN.

How about we put the personal biases aside for a day and get real? Ferocity and determination Golota showed? :laughing: :laughing: This one keeps getting better.

 

please. you're going to compare RJJ/Hall to Golota/Bowe II? Have you watched Golota/Bowe II recently? To see the punishment he absorbed in that fight for 10 rounds - before he quit? He self-destructed. No doubt about it. And was looking for a way out. But "before" doing so? When he was trying to win the fight? He was savage in there (so was Bowe).

RJJ toyed with Hall. And beat him easily and coldly. There was no ferocity or determination - only a big fat talent gap that RJJ would exploit time and time again - especially at 175.

 

Let's blame Roy for just being better

Sorry dude, I've watched Mr. Jones throughout his career and whenever someone actually decided to throw caution to the wind, he usually embarassed them, not curl up in a shell like Golota did against Lewis/Brewster.

You wanna see ferocity and determination in a rematch? Go watch Jones-Griffin II. And spare us the Golota :cheer:

Just a ridiculous thread.

 

here's where you've strayed.

first of all, the thread had nothing to do with Golota until RJJ's fans needed to bring him up in an attempt to prop up their man's unremarkable career.

second of all, the thread isn't about how good RJJ was - it's about whether or not he ever showed heart (or had to) in his career. you can't argue against his not having showed heart by claiming he never "needed" it. that doesn't prove shit. maybe he never needed it because he never took on any opponents he didn't think he could easily beat.

 

by these foolish standards you can easily say that there are a lot of 4, 6 round fighters who like to show plenty of heart when they engage in skill-less brawls.

 

yes. you can say that. and you'd be right.

 

Also, heart shows up in the opponents a fighter is willing to take on.

Take Mosley. His willingness to take on anyone, anytime, leaves little doubt as to his heart, regardless of his performances.

 

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Golota is dumb though. Check out his recent quote from fightnews:

I stay in shape. I even got a hair cut to be more aerodynamic. I feel much lighter!"

-Andrew Golota

 

Double, plenty of people have pointed out instances where he showed heart. You just choose not to see it.

Funny thing is, if Oscar had given Whitaker, Quartey, hell even Mosley an immediate rematch (instead of waiting for someone else to knock them off), you'd be here touting his immense heart.

But when Roy Jones gives Antonio Tarver a rematch after a close WIN, he lacks intestinal fortitude?

When he then comes back from a year and a half off to face his demons, he's gutless?

When, after being knocked silly in the eleventh of their rubber match, he spends the next round and a half coming forward and going for the KO on spaghetti legs, what do you call that?

You guys kill me.

 

Why didn't he take on anyone remotely decent during his stay at 135?

 

Oscar wanted to give all those guys rematches, it's just that they ran from him.

 

Such as?

 

Orzubek Nazarov.

 

:laughing:

 

Pea didn't run.. but then again.. Pea really WON that fight

Chicken Hoya didn't wanna fight him again..

 

Erik Nikkinen.

 

Well done, boxrecboy ::

Too bad he fought decades ago, if he was around he'd take care of all Russians around

 

Orzubek Nazarov is about to clean out the division