is Lewis a "top 5 hw of all time" ??

Jaws.. come on :eeeek: that is classic Lemmon dick sucking.. he was OUT!!

let me find a clip...

 

HOW do U Figure, JAWS??...

AFTER he Got Dropped HARD & Rose, the Ref ASKED Lennox to Walk Towards him...Lennox did on VERY Unsteady Legs...

Fight was STOPPED, END of Story...

Lewis-McCall I WAS NOT a Controversial Stoppage, if that's what U're Suggesting...


REED

 

which is further reason why historical relevance should be minimally used when assesing standing in boxing.

In other realms, yes people are gonna be considered more significant becuse of their times.

Case in point: FDR is the greatest president in history, and alot of that has to do with the era he was fortunate enough to be in, but also because of how he performed in that era.

If Ali doesn't win his rematches with Frazier, or beat Foreman, he wouldnt be considered as favorably as he is now. So my point is to sift through the factor of "fate" and assess how the guy did in the ring, in his own time.

 

again compare that with round 11 of the Ali/Frazier fight, or the time Shavers put Larry Holmes on his ass. By that same standard both of those fights would've been stopped and two all-time greats would also have KO losses in their primes.

 

Historical Relevance CANNOT B Minimized:nono: ...

HOW do U Minimize Joe Louis' IMPACT on the WORLD of Sports???...How do U MINIMIZE the FACT that he Defended his Title 25 Times???...

Regardless WHAT U Think of Marciano's Resume, HOW Can U MINIMIZE an UNDEFEATED Record???...It's NOT like there was 5-10 Guys he was Ducking...

Ultimately, a Fighters "Fate" HAS to B Factored N 2 the Equation...



REED

 

U're Completely WRONG N Ali's Case...

When EXACTLY was Ali DROPPED N Round 11 of the Frazier Fight???:dunno: ...N Lennox's Case, he was Dropped, Got Up, THEN he Staggered after the Ref's Instructions...

Even N the Holmes-Shavers Bout, REED Doesn't Recall Holmes Being WOBBLY or Non-Responsive as the Ref Questioned him...


REED

 

The debate should end right here. It's ridiculous and serious revision of history to compare the Holmes-Shavers or Ali-Frazier knockdowns to that of Lewis versus McCall.

 

I'd be hesitant to pick any heavyweight in history against Lewis. Maybe a prime Tyson. But an Ali or a Holmes? I wouldn't like their chances. Lewis is probably one of the hardest punchers we'll ever see. Just watch the Tua fight, having seen Tua's previous fights, to know that Lewis packs something special in that right hand of his - something not quite natural.

Still, for all the praise I've heaped on him, he was a stinky fighter with few exceptions. His war with Mercer was awesome and non-stinky, and his first victory over Holyfield was materful, but there were other fights of his, like his one with Tyson, where he just leaned on his opponent or held them everytime they got close. That always annoyed me about him. I think Steward, for better or for worse, encourages all his fighters to do that and ultimately, it could be doing for some a disservice. I mean. Is Taylor really so inept at fighting inside that he has to hold everytime his opponent is within a foot of him?

In Lewis's case, I think it was insurance against getting knocked out. And who wants to duke it out with Tua. But he used movement more than anything against Tua, and I honestly think if they'd traded, he would've floored Tua for the count.

The Tyson fight more than anything I thought was disgraceful on Lewis' part.

 

LOK, you bum, you stole my thread whilst I was at the pub!!!

Put it this way. All fighter's can be judged by their era, and Lennox DOMINATED his for ten years.

He lost TWICE, both times to absolute Hail Mary shots. The McCall punch came as Lennox was trying to knock a hurt Oliver clean out, and his balance was all wrong. And he still got to his feet by the count. He was TKO-ed, but he was up and about.

The Rahman shot was an absolute 'one-in-a-lifetime' shot. That shot, flush on the chin, would have KO-ed any HW in history.

And how did Lennox react? He made McCall CRY when he FINALLY had the BALLS to get back in the ring with him and then he SMASHED Rahman into the next galaxy with a highlight's reel KTFO.

Does anyone want to say with any confidence that Lewis would have won a third fight against either of these two guys? Of course not. HW boxing is a tretcherous business- the weight allows for 'lucky' wins. But, eventually, class will out.

Sure, it would have been better to see Lennox in the same era as Ali/Foreman/Frasier/Norton/Shavers et all. The same should be said of all HW's. But pick me five guys who, head to head, would beat Lennox.

Take away Ali, Holmes, maybe Foreman with his single shot power (though I honestly think it would end up with George eating jabs all night) and possibly Rocky and who have you got? No one is the answer.

That makes him a top 5 HW ever.

Bear in mind that LOK said 'he could be one of the worst belt holder's ever'. He also said that 'when both were fully prepared, Rahman knocked Lemmon the fuck out'.

Now what is worse. Those little tit-bit's, or a possible argument for Lennox being top-5 of al time?

MTF :dunno:

 

MTF I know you are a drunk bum but you gotta admit. . equally prepared Rahman knocked Lemmon the f out

do you know what Rahman did before that fight? he was a trashman

Lennox made MCcall cry? hmm.. I wonder why? maybe cuz McCall was a recovering crack addict? Lennox beat an old Mike Tyson? I wonder... could it have something to do with Mike being on HEAVY DRUGS and basically fighting for his right to even being aloud to fight with many saying he had no buisness in the ring?

I can not give Lemmon the loser credit for beating guys that were on drugs and had no buisness in the ring

how about one of my favorite.. Zeljo makrovison, he was litterally on his death bed around the time they fought.. rightbefore the fight Manny said "no hw in the world can even last 8 round with Lenny"

well.. Mohawk who was seriously dying not only lasted 8 but was kicking Lemmons ASS at times

 

does this look like top 5 of all time?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE&feature=related

that is not a lucky shot either

 

Like Riddock Bowe, maybe. Didn't he drop his belt in the trash rather than fight Lennox (after an Olympic beating)? A real TRASHMAN... ::

And didn't Tyson, your HERO, pay Lennox like SEVEN MILLION to 'side-step' a prime Lennox to fight an 'easy fight v Holyfield? And then he got SPARKED OUT :laughing:

Why didn't Mike fight his mandatory against Lennox five years before Lewis PLAYED with Tyson before putting him out of his misery? Answer- Lennox would have fucking GREASED him. Plain and simple.

Wasn't the 'crying' McCall the same one who FRANK FUCKING BRUNO beat? He'd have to be on CRACK to lose to that pantomime villain...

And if you really think that Lennox was 'fully prepared' for that fight in Carnival City, then you have absolutely no credibility left in my eyes. Lennox was FUCKING about, playing the Hollywood megastar, turning out film roles and NOT preparing for a title fight at altitude. Great preparation.

Your hate is beyond ridiculous. I say again- name 5 HW's who would have beaten Lennox in the ring. Because I sure can't...

MTF:nono:

 

I never said it was a 'lucky' shot- I said it was a 'Hail Mary' shot. the nature of HW boxing is that, if you hit a man FLUSH, he sleeps. regardless of who he is.

Now check out a focused Lennox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO-vbBQU_ps

If you look real close, you can see Hasim sleep before he hits the deck...

 

THAT was a lucky shot..Rahman spanked Lennox like a bitch then got careless in the re

Tyson is in no way "my hereo" but you can not deny that Mike had no buisness being in the ring..

early on Mike wanted Lemmon and Manny said Lemmon was not ready and how Mike used to kick his ass in the gym as kids..
Holy was much bigger fight than gay ass Lemmon at the time

and for Bowe... IMO one of the dumbest moves in history.. Bowe would have dominated big knock kneed lemmon

 

Yeah, it was UNBELIEVABLY lucky for Lennox to sucker Hasim with the pawing left before ICING him with the quickest and most powerful right hand any HW has thrown in the last 15 years...

...what a fluke. Just like all the other HW's Lewis SPARKED the FUCK out with that very same right hand... ::

Sure, the Lennox- Tyson fight was a mismatch when it happened. So why did he pay Lennox off to 'side step' him when he was younger and Lewis was his mandatory? More luck, huh? :nono:

If Mike beat Lewis in the gym, why did he pay him off? It makes no sense- an easy win for the master in the gym awaited, surely? :dunno:

Bowe would have dominated Lennox? oool. Like he did in Seoul in 1988? Go have a look at that fight. An AMMY Lennox KTFO Riddock Bowe. FACT.

Bowe SHIT himself rather than get SPARKED by LENNOX.

AGAIN- name 5 HW's in history to beat Lewis. Try me...

 

you are forgeting that Mike stepped aside Lemmon to get to HOLY who was the REAL DEAl.. Lemmon was just some bitch boy..

saying Lemmon is not a top 5 heavy is not the same as head to head but even still

Prime Tyson
Prime Ali
prime Holmes
Prime Foreman
Prime Frazier
Prime norton
Prime Ellis
Prime McCall
Prime Rahman
Prime Zeljoy Mackerl
Prime Mercer (or old Mercer as we saw)
Prime Tyrell Biggs
Prime Shavers
Prime Moorer
Prime Wlad
Prime Herbie Hide
Prime Bowe
Prime Liston
Prime Jimmy Thunder

I really could keep going

 

JESUS CHRIST

I just saw someone really claim that a PRIME Herbie Hide could have beaten Lennox Lewis. :notallthere:

I'll ignore the fact that Holy was 'The Real Deal' after his wars with Bowe (yup, the same Bowe who chucked his title belt in the bin rather than face Lennox, and also the fact that, Eugine Williams aside, Lennox hammered Holy TWICE), and just concentrate on some the obscene NONSENSE you have just posted.

I swear Brother LOK, that is potential SIG material right there.

Tyrell Biggs indeed... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

Wow. This is a REALLY bad post from a guy whose boxing knowledge should prevent him from so doing.

When McCall KO-ed Lewis, the whole HW division hit a state of shocked rejoycing. Don King et al basically ensured that Lewis became the most AVOIDED HW in the history of avoided HW's. Not a single titlest would go anywhere near him.

In fact, Lennox was awarded the No1 contended slot by the WBC after he beat Mercer and Morrison, before Don King paid a 'stand aside' fee to allow Tyson a shot at Sheldon. It took THREE years before a completely FUCKED McCall got back in the ring with Lennox. And this was only after Tyson VACATED the WBC title to avoid a fight with Lennox.

You know this Tam. To imply otherwise is completely disingenuous.

 

I could add

Tony Tucker
Seldon
rudduck
prime botha

 

Well if thats the case then Lewis gotta be higher. Kirk Johnson was just a name when Lewis was fighting. When Marciano was fighting Johnson probably would have been a champion if he could outbox Marciano.

 

let me add a PRIMe Seldon

 

prime Jimmy Thunder? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

now that is hate!!!!

 

remind us what L.O.K. stands for::

 

Now Tyson paid lewis to get to Holy? :laughing:

 

I don't know if Lennox's resume is Top 5, but I'd pick him to beat nearly every heavyweight in history, except for Ali and Holmes.

 

Lewis the Omnipotent King.

 

no, my brother was reminding me of an old boxing.com story with an LOK sig bet on Lewis/Tyson

 

Never call the Zab stoppage against Tszyu premature again.

 

Getting KOed these days is different from getting KOed in 1920s because guys hit harder now. Knockdowns and KO losses happen, what matters is if you can come back from them or not