Is Wlad a Lb 4 Lb'der???...

#1 cruiserweight and #1 light welterweight

 

Good f'n luck with that.

 

These Names R RiDICKulous, Dog:: ...NONE of these Guys have Done AS MUCH for as Loooooooong as Wlad has...3-4 of the Non-Highlighted Names R DEBATEABLE as Well...

Guys Really SLEEP on Wlad, Instead Choosing to Focus on the LOSSES...Sure, it SUCKS that All 3 were by KO, but the Purrity "Loss" was EXTREMELY Flukish...Does ANYBODY Doubt that Wlad would BEAT Purrity N a RE???...That's Such a FOREGONE Conclusion, there's NO Fucking Need to See that Bout...

Wlad DID AVENGE the Brewster KO Loss, Impressively...If U COMPLAIN about the Loss, U Gotta Give PROPS for the Way he REDEEMED Himself, Don't U???:dunno: ...

REED Only Holds the Corrie Sanders Massacre AGAINST Wlad...

The FACTS R, Wlad has a Fairly IMPRESSIVE Resume...

Barrett, Byrd(2x), Botha, Mercer, McCline, Brewster, Peter, Brock...That's NOT Bad @ All, by Heavyweight Standards....Look Deeeeeeeeeper & U'll Realize that Wlad KO'ed All But Peter!!!:clap: ...U CANNOT Frown Upon that, No Matter HOW U Look @ It...

Wlad Just UNIFIED vs. Ibragimov, who was UNDEFEATED...Wlad Also took the "0" from Peter AND Brock...

REED Isn't Certain that Wlad Is or ISN'T a Top 10 Lb 4 Lb'der, but he's Certainly IN the Argument, N REED's Opinion...


REED

 

Simply for the sake of argument.

Floyd
Guzman
Pacquiao
JM Marquez
Pavlik
Hopkins
Vasquez
Calzaghe
Cotto
Insert 108-122lb champ loved by midgets everywhere.

All clearly above Wlad based on the "what have you done for me lately" argument, as well as "what have you done for me in the past 5 years" argument, as well as the concept of total skill package argument.

 

Can a p4per really be KO'd 3 times in the fashion that Wlad was? I mean he hasn't been KO'd lately but he hasn't really fought anyone dangerous either, because there isn't anyone dangerous in the division. So should he be rewarded for how crap his division is?

 

Peter, Brewster, McCline, and Brock were all seen as dangerous before Wlad fought them. They weren't necessarily favored, but they were dangerous opponents.

And 2 of those 3 KO's were a result of Wlad's undoing rather than being beaten by the opponent. And he seems to have that under control now.

 

Brock was garbage...and almost everybody knew he would be KO'ed....

McCline..big and strong but sucks....espn fight at best....

Brewster..didn't know who the fuck he was before the Wladimir fight...but he beat him......and then Wladimir took his time getting the rematch...waiting for the perfect time...

 

These were all afterthoughts.

 

actually BROCK was a good heavyweight.....but he was out of his league against Wlad....

 

no...these were all beforethoughts......Brock was not on Wlad level...McCline has always been garbage...and Brewster was some unknown guy to most...before he KO Wladimir.....

the only dangerous/threat was PETER....

 

No they aren't, especially Brewster. Wlad was supposed to beat him easily. Brock wasn't considered much of a threat either. Sure he was undefeated but that don't always mean shit. McCline was looked at as OK going into that fight although I am not really sure why.

As has been mentioned Wlad has been KO'ed 3 times by guys who aren't really that good. Honestly an argument can be made easily for 10 guys better than Wlad PFP because a lot of guys haven't been KO'ed 3 times by mediocre opposition.

 

3 KO's are being exaggerated in context a bit, don't you think?

 

mayweather
cotto
mosley
hatton
pacquaio
marquez x2
vasquez
calderon
mijares
margarito
hopkins
wright
kessler
calzaghe
dawson
pavlik

 

The question is "IS Wlad a P4P'er" Not WAS 2 years ago. Those losses years ago are irrelevant of his current P4P status.

 

So Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez are now excluded from p4p lists?

 

Brewster WAS seen as a threat on the second fight, even though he was destroyed. And McCline was overrated as fuck going into the Wlad fight, many people gave him a shot. As far as Brock goes, he was undefeated and many people were fooled by his fluke KO of Zuri Lawrence, thinking he could conceivably catch Wlads chin as well.

 

When I say "KO'd in the fashion that he was".....I'm talking about the fact that Wlad has thrice been KO'd by nondiscript opposition, or guys he was supposed to beat. Vazquez, Marquez, Pacman, MAB, Moralles and a whole list of guys who've been KO'd or beaten up lost to top tier guys.

 

It's no on both accounts. He's been KO'ed 3 times by crap fighters and hasn't beaten anyone that great. Not to mention all of his KO losses were to guys smaller than he is.

 

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The poll is going pretty much as it should. :bears:

 

I think Rafael Marquez is a p4p fighter, but he's been KO'd four times and they certainly haven't all been by world class opponents.

 

Uhhh.

Almost everyone Tyson KO'd was bigger than him. Same with Marciano, Frazier, and Holyfield. Who cares if they are smaller, these are heavyweights.

 

Because it's a PFP thread that's why it matters. When you are getting blasted by guys 20 pounds and several inches shorter than you it's relevant.

 

I would have definitely had Haye in my top ten, and I know for a fact that other's do also (I recall reading the lists posted here previously).

He unified a division in his opponent's backyard, and will unify again when he wipes out Enzo Mac in a fortnight. Not to mention that he recently stepped up to HW and won by KO1.

More CW snobbery :nono:

 

There is no valid argument for David Haye in the top ten, IMO.

 

Also, Haye didn't unify anything. Mormeck brought the belts. Did Baldomir and Pavlik unify 147 and 160 too?

 

Of course there are.

He is the consensus No1 guy in the division.

Moreover, he is the consensus No1 guy in a division which is one of the more loaded divisions at the minute (Haye, Cunningham, Mormeck, Enzo, Bell, Adamek all 60/40 fights at best).

He holds two of the four titles worth holding in the division.

He won his titles from the former No1 guy (Mormeck), not by some paper, ABC related nonsense.

He did so comprehensively, by KO7 in Mormeck's back yard.

He is unifying again on March 8th, showing that he is fighting the other top guys around and not taking 'easy beats'.

He recently stepped up in weight (isn't that what P4P is all about, by the way?) and KO1-ed a decent HW in Bonin.

Why are none of these arguments valid? :dunno:

 

I have corrected this in my response... :tease:

He will on March 8th, anyway...

 

Because the cruiserweight division is horrendous.

If you're listing Enzo and Steve Cuningham as the "good names" of the division, then it sucks. Mormeck has been a gassing buffoon since his one win over Wayne Braithwaite.

Honestly the division is worse than the HW division, and there's no argument to be made that he's better than anyone mentioned by anybody in this thread in a P4P sense.

 

Why? BEcause its as ridiculous as saying that Pavlik is the #1 guy in the division, unified...so he MUST BE A P4P FIGHTER!!! At least Kelly stopped a couple of ranked fighters before hand and in Taylor you had a real champion. Mormeck? It's debatable if he even won his last fight and was coming off of a KO loss to ONEIL BELL!!! Give me a break.

Cruiserweight is NOT loaded. I love the division, because its exciting, but it is weak. ANd has been weak since Gomez left. He was a class fighter. The last one that the division has had, IMO.

Dont you DARE even mention his win over Bonin. Jesus christ, mate. BONIN? Listen to yourself, man.

Haye might get some mention if he beats Enzo and someone else. But until thn, he isnt sniffing a top ten. Mormeck wasn't and at least he had a resume behind him. Haye? Nups. Just the other day I swear you were tearing down Wlad...and now you're defending David Haye? Excuse me for thinking you got some homer thing going on here, mate.

 

No it isn't. There is NO division anywhere near as bad as the HW division right now... :nono:

Also, I'm listing Enzo and Cunninham because they are belt holders. I'm no great fan of either, but they are definitely 'good names' in the CW division.

The argument regarding Haye might soon be rendered academic, as he plans to move to HW in any event. Apparently, he had lined up a fight with Rahman prior to his agreeing to fight Enzo...