Is Wlad an All Time Great Heavyweight?

Agreed. Because when he let the hands go and took 5 years off his opponents life and got tired and fell apart, he was called a quitter. So now he muddles through. Spurts of brilliance, a bit of stink, bom dee bom, ho hum. Don't get the wrong impression, I much prefer Vitali, but, from my own life experiences, if I can't sprint through a rough neighbourhood, I go around it. As I say, I don't see too many hedgehogs out in the middle of the road in broad daylight with their spines off. We do what we need to to get by.

 

Goochy goo, pussy poo.

 

It's not that he was called a quitter. He was losing fights. I imagine that was probably his motivation.

 

Ha?

 

He was, no doubt. But he changed because he was losing, brutally. To subpar fighters.

I'm sure he cared more about not getting stopped all the time.

 

Wlad never quit once. Ever.

 

OK.

Why do you think he changed his style?

 

well , he quit against Brewster and Puritty

 

Yeah. That's not true.

 

falling to the ground, making gay eyes to the ref, and making no with the head repeatedly is quitting in my book

 

Jesus of Montreal has been working on his mikE act for a few months now.

 

gassed (& panicked), there was no quit.

 

Nah, he's just dumb. Naturally so. Always has been.

MTF

 

I was going to say, JOM has joined mikE's "special" club now it seems.

 

* "Put the mikE down"- copyright@Irish 2002/2003

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFDs5mT4JUs

If that's not quitting , I don't know what else it is. The guy clearly make a no motion with his head.

 

better fighter... Luis Primera or Randy Shields?

 

Making a big deal about how many undefeated fighters are on a fighter's resume means zero when evaluating the quality of his opposition. Simply being undefeated does not make a fighter better than other fighters with multiple losses.

 

Better win at the time? Beating an undefeated #1 mandatory challenger or a guy who had split decision wins over Mauricio Aldana and Juan Cantres and no notable wins? If you want to argue Shields, go for it. It really wasn't germane to the discussion, was it now?

 

The correlation between beating undefeated fighters (over 10 fights) and being good is quite high. Whatever it means, it means a lot more than zero in most cases.

[Gee, will you be able to comprehend that. Of course not.)

As to your 2nd sentence, give yourself a gold star for pointing out the obvious.

 

:bears:

 

Holy christ, you are an idiot.

Better fighter at the time Thomas Hearns fought them... Primera or Shields?

Don't BoxRec it, faggot. Actually watch them fight and tell me who is better. BoxRec is not a substitute for watching and studying fighters and fights. You seem to think it is, mainly because you are a retard.

How many rounds of Randy Shields have you seen? How many of Luis Primera? (whom I have no doubt you had never heard of until looking it up on BoxRec, seeing he was 16-0 without having fought anyone with a pulse and then, shoving your foot down your throat, proclaimed him a highlight victory of the pre-Leonard career of Thomas Hearns, despite the fact that he was probably the 7th or 8th best opponent he had faced at that time)

Compare and contrast their styles, their strengths and their weaknesses and then do the same for their most notable opponents and the fights they had against them.

I can do that, you can't. Looking at records on a page tells you nothing about the fighter compared to actually seeing him fight.

You're a joke.

 

More meaningless babble from you. It's nobody's fault but your own that you are too lazy to develop an opinion about fighters that you can't get from BoxRec.

 

Hell...if you listed all of the champs and contenders Hearns fought during his career, Primera would be close to, if not at the very bottom. And most of them were not undefeated when Hearns faced them.

Pipino Cuevas also had six career losses when he faced Hearns. Primera must also have been better than him, too.

 

Better win, not fighter.

 

Nope. Try again.

 

Sure, because he went on to do nothing in his career. Hindsight is what makes morons think they are smart because they get to rewrite their place in the past.

 

"Beating a terrible fighter with zero losses (thanks to shit opposition) is a greater achievement than beating a seasoned, tough, crafty pro who has given tough battles to the best fighters in the world in his weight class while coming out on the losing end 5 times"

This is your methodology?

 

Shouldn't you be crying about how bad everything is in boxing today, broadwaywoe? You and Bert cdogg Sugar excel at playing that tired card.

 

Mauricio Aldana and Juan Cantres