Is Wlad an All Time Great Heavyweight?

were any of luis primera's fights other than against hearns even televised? ::

 

No, because he wasn't any good, he hadn't beaten anyone good and his undefeated record was meaningless.

It is always funny to see you continue try to make something out of a fighter you know nothing about outside of looking him up BoxRec.

It's ok to admit you don't know something, it really is.

 

Shouldn't you be running your yap endlessly about fighters you clearly know nothing about in the pathetic attempt to appear knowledgeable?

 

Doesn't matter...being undefeated is apparently all that matters...

...to those who don't know a thing.

 

He had DONE NOTHING PRIOR

"He was a mandatory #1 challenger" ... since when is this in any way an indication of quality? This is directly tied in to your illogical devotion to sanctioning bodies.

Do you really want to go through a list of all of the mysterious "Mandatory #1" contenders put forth over the years by the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO?

Do you honestly believe that in 1980, Luis Primera was the number one Welterweight in the world without a championship belt?

 

Hey...if the Alphabet folks say so, it MUST be true.

 

primera earned his title shot when he was born. it is every venezuelans birth right to fight for a wba title.

 

You make a good point

 

:bears:

 

go look up and tell us which current undefeated mandatory challengers are good and which suck. The reason you know Primera wasn't good is because of hindsight.

 

Really? Maybe it has to do with the fact that he never fought anyone known outside one of one or two households in Caracas prior to achieving his mandatory status?

As for your last idiotic question, since it would take forever to waste time looking up the mandatories for each of the totally corrupt sanctioning bodies, let's just pick one for now. How about the WBA?

Here are the number one contenders in each weight class, according to the WBA:

Heavyweight Hasim Rahman:laughing: (last fought a year ago, last fought someone known outside of his own house four years ago)

Cruiserweight Denis Lebedev has already shown to be a limited, but solid contender, he's actually a fair challenger in that division

Light Heavy GAYRAT AHMEDOV has fought no one of consequence (which ought to make you wonder how he has become the number one contender) , but his resume is like Emile Griffith's compared to Luis Primera

Super Middle Brian Magee totally average contender on the world level in one of the more compelling divisions in the sport, he has absolutely no business being ranked that high

Middleweight and Super Welterweight have no mandatory challengers. Apparently, the WBA suits are still trying to figure out which totally undeserving shitbag to install in that spot

Welterweight Ismael El Massoudi ... this fellow has fought no one that a single soul outside of France has ever heard of. I've never seen him fight. How has he achieved such prestige? 3 of these people he's fought have beaten him, 2 of them have knocked him out

I could continue going through each of the divisions, but going to that length to prove a point to a fellow too dumb to comprehend it seems like overkill. I will sum up the remaining divisions by pointing out that the only guy who's #1 rating seems even remotely justifiable in these remaining classes is Richard Abril, almost solely based on the fact that he got a bit of a raw deal against Rios and the fight distinguished him.

Other than he and Lebedev, all of the other selections are baffling and unsupported by any objective analysis.

 

Fucking hilarious, I can't believe mikE ( :atu: ) actually believes a win over an undefeated scrub is better than a win over a decent fighter who has a few losses. He truly is a boxrec warrior, his feeble little mind unable to comprehend a world of boxing that extends beyond statistics.

What a complete and utter, total chodE.

 

I wish he was kidding

 

False.

The fun part is that you will now cling desperately to that "hindsight" bullshit in the attempt to cover up your complete dependence on BoxRec for your "insight".

It really is amazing how much you are willing to go rather than admit you don't know shit about the fighters being discussed.

 

I wish he would find a new sport to be wrong about all the time. Maybe Curling???

 

Undefeated and mandatory, not just mandatory.

 

At the time it happens, it's not clear which is the better win, but I generally think that shobox wins are better than espn2 wins, and that's a pretty fair way to summarize what we are talking about.

And there is a good reason that shobox fights take place on a premium channel and espn2 fights don't.

 

Hearns defending a legit championship belt is a shobox vs espn2 matter?

You're a moron

 

'The whole subject of history is just morons rewriting the past to make themselves look smart' - mikE, 2012

 

'the true measure of a fighter is how much hype he generates at a given moment' -mikE, 2012

 

Yeah, that is his point in a nutshell ::

"Statistics and hype > boxing ability" - mikE, 2012.

 

Numbers, hype & what some venal crook in Venezuala says. Logic! :bears:

 

I can tell by your understanding of logic, statistics, and sanctioning bodies, that you wouldn't flunk a college exam.

Logic!

 

Didn't say or imply this.

 

mikE :atu:

 

Determining the quality of win at a certain period of time is different than determining it from the present.

I've haven't said anything similar to your 'quote' in content or meaning.

 

Just take my word for it, eh.

 

Only because we have more information, now. Though obviously making use of information and analyzing it is just something morons do to make themselves look clever.

 

Yep, I think these same morons who make good use of such information probably don't know the first thing about statistics, and would flunk a college exam.

 

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