James Kirkland vs Joel Julio on March 7th!

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  1. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    War Kirkland. He should whup Julios ass.
     
  2. Barristan

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    Kirkland is the truth. He will stop Julio with body shots. If James goes to the body its easy work.
     
  3. Double L

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    Damn. Guerrero isn't fighting?
     
  4. Mitchell Kane

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    He isn't fighting Jesus Chavez.
     
  5. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Kirkland has bad balance. Very bad balance.
     
  6. Barristan

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    Lefties who swing for the fences always appear to have bad balance; this is just an illusion his balance is fine
     
  7. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I don't agree.

    If a fighter gives Kirkland side-to-side movement and angles, he'll look bad.
     
  8. Barristan

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    What are you basing this on your gut? I think he'll do fine cutting off the ring, banging the body and keeping a high punch count. Thats his game after all.
     
  9. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    No, I'm basing it on his stance and footwork.

    It doesn't take a lot of movement to get out of his direct path and set up nice counter opportunities, which he's pretty open for.
     
  10. Barristan

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    Yeah he needs to work on his defence. He's over eager and needs to calm down in the ring.
     
  11. royyjonesjrp4pno1

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    Your boy did a great job tonight.
     
  12. ElTerriblee

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    Yeah, I couldn´t know, he´d hire a conditioning destructor, uh instructor. If you are backpedalling exhausted 30 seconds into a fight, you usually lose.
     
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    I'd like to interview Team Kirkland soon, they seem to have it so together as function as a unit.
     
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    Cant wait to see you ask them the tough questions, Mike Wallace
     
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    Kirkland is fun to watch, but he clearly has flaws. A guy who sits down on his counters more than Julio did will hurt him badly

    That was a fun, sloppy war for a few rounds before Julio folded under the pressure
     
  16. Xplosive

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    "The Love Child" is officially ass. But credit to Kirkland. He beat the hell outta Julio more convincingly than Quintana, and Dzinziruk did. Someone please make Kirkland-Angulo.
     
  17. Double L

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    I think Julio is talented he just lacks heart and/or desire (two different things mind you).

    Was thinking about this just yesterday: what if Julio decided after his loss to Dzinziruk that boxing wasn't what he wanted to pursue. That would make his fight with Kirkland nothing but an opportunity in his eyes to make money, having resigned himself to not becoming the champion or star that he may have one day thought he could be. If that were the case, why should he continue to take a beating.

    He got his licks in. Took his share of shots. Figured, "I'm not going to win this fight and even if I did won't get out of this sport what I'd hoped to - I may as well quit." Is that a lack of heart? Or is that just plain smart?
     
  18. *Z*

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    That's what I'm saying.

    I'll take Kirkland over Angulo!
     
  19. whiskey

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    I probably would as well but that's some fight. Unlike Julio, Anglulo will plant his feet and exchange. That has really nothing to do with "heart", but it's simply his style.

    Angulo's punches are more textbook, but he's slower than Kirkland.

    I doubt we see that fight right away but it's a natural if both guys stay undefeated.
     
  20. royyjonesjrp4pno1

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    I like Angulo over Kirkland. Angulo would land so much on Kirklands grill.
     
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    That's what makes the fight such an exciting prospect. Not only could it go either way, both guys are going to eat some leather.
     
  22. REEDsART

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    SPARE Us the PSUEDO Psychologist BULLSHIT, Doub...U're Talking All this SHIT about how "Objective" U R, but the Fact is U've ALWAYS LIKED Julio...If U DIDN'T, U'd B @ the FRONT of the Fucking Line Talking about how he "Pussed" Out vs. Kirkland...Or how he CHEATED the Public by Merely Going Thru the Motions...

    U're a JOKE, Dude...But the Thing is, Posters Don't Laugh w/U, they Laugh AT U...


    REED:hammert:
     
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    agREED...

    BOTH Guys Get Hit, but Angulo's BETTER @ Giving Ground, yet STILL Being Aggressive...w/Kirkland, REED Gets the Impression that If/When he's FORCED into Taking a Backwards Step, he's TOAST...

    Angulo would have to WEATHER Some Storms Along the Way, but REED would Pick him to BEAT Kirkland...


    REED:hammert:
     
  24. Double L

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    WTF? every post you make is under the pretense that this sport is about sucking a fighter's dick. that's your problem. and it's why i've never managed to have a meaningful debate with you.

    you do realize there are people who watch boxing because they like the sport of boxing, correct? well guess what? i'm one of them. unlike you, i don't tune in to drool over my favorites.

    and it explains perfectly why you would interpret my post as an apology for Julio when in fact it's simply a question i'm throwing out for debate.

    you're not a boxing fan. you're a sucker of boxer's dicks. and that's why your posts are so confrontational and so lacking in anything worth discussion.

    if you don't have something boxing related to discuss with me (as opposed to the sucking of boxer's dicks), please don't bother responding to my posts. it's just a painful reminder of the idiotic company i'm forced to keep if i'm to remain a member of this board.
     
  25. REEDsART

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    U're Chock FULL of Shit, Doub...U're just PISSY Because U're PLAYING the "Objective" Card yet U Realize REED Sees Right THRU that Bullshit FACADE of Yours...

    Leonard's DETACHED RETINA Wasn't a Good Excuse to YOU, yet Pavlik's Bronchitis was...U've BITCHED about the "Pussy" Styles of Floyd & Roy Jones for YEARS, yet Julio BITCHES OUT Every Bit as BADLY on Saturday Night (Probably WORSE) & Gets a PASS from U...But Leave it to YOU to JUSTIFY the Shit AND Insinuate the Julio Somehow DESERVED to Cash-In Even though he had NO Intentions of Winning...

    Ricky Hatton FOLDS YOUR Cheating Hero Castillo, yet U STILL Bitch about him and his "Hack" Style...How Much of a "Hack" was he THAT Night, Doub???....

    U have a Hard Time Having "Meaningful" Debates Because U REGULARLY SHIT on your Own Criteria for Rating or Assessing Fighters...U REGULARLY CONTRADICT Yourself when it Suits Fighters U LIKE...



    REED:hammert:
     
  26. Double L

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    Bull-shit. I give credit where credit is due. That's as simple as I can make it. And I hardly gave Julio a pass by the way. I was simply introducing the distinction that we should in the very least acknowledge between lacking heart and lacking desire.

    And WTF does SRL's detached retina have to do with Pavlik's being sick. Pavlik fought. SRL retired. Not to mention, SRL's condition was far more serious than Pavlik's. The two situations aren't even comparable. You're reaching REED.

    And being objective simply means calling it like I see it. And when it comes to Hatton, all the guy does is hold. You'd have to be blind to dispute that.

    And being objective doesn't mean not having favorite fighters either. And it doesn't mean having a preference for certain styles over others.

    All it means is calling it like you see it.

    But when it comes to you I don't think you've made an objective post in your life. Everything you say here is predicated on your mouth being around one or more boxer's dick. And that's the reason you assault this board daily with distortions, excuses and flat out lies because the thought of that dick in your mouth not fighting the opponent everyone wants him to fight because he's afraid to lose, or the thought of that dick in your mouth feasting on featherweights when there's plenty of real competition in his own weight class terrifies you. You have to defend that dick. And you'll go to no end to do it.
     
  27. REEDsART

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    The FUNNY Thing Is, REED's Usually the Guy PULLING YOUR Sorry Ass OUT of the Fire when U're Being Verbally TORCHED...REED's Usually the Guy that SHOO's the Vultures from your LIFELESS, MUTILATED, IDIOTIC Posts....& REED's Usually the Guy that Steps in to STOP the Pounding of the Fightbeat PINATA Known as Double L..

    But No More:nono:...

    The NEXT Time there's a LINE of Posters Verbally ASSAULTING your Ass, REED'll Let your DRUNKEN, Drug ADDICTED Ass Take your Medicine...

    U NEVER EVER Give Credit where it's Due...To this day, Ricky Hatton HASN'T gotten a SHRED of Credit for KO'ing YOUR Hero...Shit, Floyd Mayweather has 2 Wins Over the SAME Guy & He CAN'T Get a SHRED of Credit from U Either...

    Bottom Line, Instead of Talking About Dicks Stop BEING a Dick....
    REED:hammert:
     
  28. Double L

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    that's B.S. I used to be a huge PBF fan when he fought at 130 and 135. I rooted for Castillo when they fought, but had mad respect for PBF that not only did he fight him in his first fight at 135, but gave him a rematch that many people picked him to lose.

    and there was nobody during that time (except for Stevie Johnston possibly) that the public asked PBF to fight that he didn't fight. And he was NOT a boring fighter at those weights. Even when he was "boxing" he was throwing combinations.

    I was never a fan of his tendency to turn his back or to shove his forearm into his opponent's neck to set them up for a right hand, but I still thought he was a great fighter. I love to this day watching his chess match with Goya Vargas.

    But after he moved up from 135, well especially when he moved to 147, and never fought a single top contender there, I called it like I saw it - a fighter resting on the laurels of his achievements at lower weight classes rather than competing in true fashion as he had. And all the while fooling the public that he was the world's best welter-weight because he stunk out a decision against Baldomir of all people.

    And the best fighter he could find to fight at 140 was Gatti? A guy who couldn't even beat Ivan Robinson?

    You can't argue that PBF cherry-picked his way through 140 and especially 147. It's just a fact.

    And on the other hand, I immediately condemmed Margarito for his antics, and don't put much stock in Castillo's ko of Corrales in their rematch when the scale tampering incident was revealed.

    As for Hatton - I call it like I see it. He's a dirty hack of a fighter who has no skills whatsoever. He has stamina and determination, but it "should" take a lot more than that to be a real champion, but because the referees refuse to enforce the rules, he's able to get by on those attributes alone.

    It was nearly criminal the degree to which he was allowed to hold and hit an aged Tszyu. To me, there's way too much weight given to that win.

    As I see it, Hatton owes me about 24 hours of my life back when you consider fights like his one with Tackie or Urango in which he did absolutely nothing but hold - this, a supposed elite fighter.

    He made his name strong-arming old guys and ever since he's begun fighting actual peers when it comes to age and perceived ability, he's been nothing but awful to watch.
     
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  29. Double L

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    BTW,

    REED, to the extent you feel you've had my back, thanks for that.

    I'd rather be on good terms with you than bad ones. I think we just prefer different styles and personalities of fighters is all.

    But I should recant my allegation that you're not a boxing fan - obviously you're going to enjoy a good fight whether one of your faves is involved or not. At least that's my hunch.
     
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    Forget about it, Doub...REED's "Known" U for Almost 10 Years Dude, so it'll Take MORE than a Monday Morning Pissing Match for REED to TRUELY Kick U to the Curb...REED Smoked a Joint During his LunchBreak & All is WELL Now:lol:...

    We've Seen Things DIFFERENTLY about 90% of the Time during the Last Decade...Styles & Personalities, like U Said....Despite your Contempt for ALL Things Roy & Floyd, REED's STILL Got your Back, Dog...



    REED:hammert:
     

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