Jermain Taylor vs Felix Trinidad @ 160

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  1. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

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    Is this true? :pathetic:
     
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  2. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    I'm afraid so mate. Calzaghe was exposed as a serial bummer, by the Daily Mirror. And also an atheist racist.
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    How? Other than the Tarver win which I've already given him props for
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    There isn't, you're right there. Hopkins also knew this which is why he was never serious about making the fight until he had nothing to lose.

    Calzaghe beats any version of Hopkins, and I've never thought otherwise.
     
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  5. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Sorry mate, you're a nice guy, but this is shite. Hopkins might fit your criteria for "pleasing to the eye", might be more old skool, but it doesn't make him better I'm afraid.
     
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  6. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Mate he was about to sign up for just that as part of the showtime deal (which mandated he moved up to 168 to fight Joe) before HBO made him a better offer and one which kept the possibility of Tito and Oscar fights available which were many times more lucrative.

    Hopkins wasn't scared of Calzaghe he thought he sucked. And if you really think Joe beats a 6 year younger version of Hopkins you're seriously deluded my main man. He barely beat the 43 year old one.
     
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  7. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    He beat the 43 year old version comfortably. Making a fight uncomfortable isn't the same as making it competitive. 9-3 Calzaghe with an extra point for Hopkins due to the KD. Easy fight to score, unless you award rounds for not trying to fight.
     
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    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    That isn't my criteria for him being better. superior performances against similar level of opposition is. De facto shut outs against long term champs like Holmes (one judge gave Keith a couple of rds after the point deduction but it was completely unjustifiable), Joppy & Glen Johnson with no counter veiling dodgy performances against guys like Robin Reid.

    I'm not pretending the difference is big - maybe sometimes it sounds like I am because I hate Calzaghe so much - but I think Hopkins was, lets say, a shade better. Not much, but distinguishably so.
     
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  9. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Mate, most the press scored it for Hopkins& it was a split decision. 9-3? You're off your nut.
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Adelaide Byrd is blind. HBO had it comfortably for Joe. Honestly mate, Hopkins wasn't even trying to fight from round four onwards, he was just acting like a cunt.
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    The Calzaghe-Reid fight was an aberration, much like Mayweather-Castillo 1, where a particular set of circumstances transpire to make a competitive fight between fighters of different ability levels. Other than that fight he barely lost a round during his entire reign at 168. Much like Hopkins. Really there isn't anything Hopkins done throughout his 160 reign which made me think "wow, he is better than Calzaghe". Nothing.
     
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    If Calzaghe had done the same, you'd have crucified him for it.

    MTF
     
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  15. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Me and Feebs are the only people who can see clearly. The rest all have an agenda. PJ and Duncan.
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Damn right bruv.
     
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    not me, my criticism of Calzaghe is that he's a knob who jazzercises his way to victory... watch a Calzaghe fight and play the song "She's a Maniac" in the background... Synchronicity, lads

    all he needs are legwarmers

    Bob Foster would have sodomized him and had a Wales of a time doing so
     
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  18. Hut*Hut

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    Certainly wouldn't. At least not if Calzaghe had just fought a guy regarded as top 3 p4p less than 12 months previous.
     
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  19. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    This guy sees things my way
     
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  20. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

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    :lol:

    I love these Calzaghe debates between Cdogg/Hut and Feeds/slice

    Classic stuff.

    I'm as big a Calzaghe fan as Feebs and slice but difference is that I'm ALSO a fan of Hopkins...so I'm never in the middle of a Hopkins vs Calzaghe debate.

    Hopkins is greater than Calzaghe, clearly. Talent wise, they are fairly equivalent. Two great great fighters.
     
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  21. cdogg187

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    "And he's flurryin like he's never done before...":lol:
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    This is my point. He beat a blown up welterweight/light middleweight who had that kind of standing because of a win he never deserved against Oscar and two cases of child abuse with Reid and Vargas. He was NEVER that highly rated in my eyes, of course I can't help what the sheep think, if they choose to believe hyperbole that's their problem.
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    When did I say he would have beaten Foster?? :dunno:

    Foster would have walloped Hopkins too. So?
     
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  24. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    For the record I think both Hopkins & Calzaghe are overrated. The notion that Hopkins is a top 3 GOAT middleweight is balderdash with big balls.
     
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  25. cdogg187

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    SO FUCKING TRUE
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    That's fair. I think they're in the same boat, whether you think they're overrated or all time greats.
     
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    But Calzaghe spent his career weighing in on fight night as a 175 pounder which means he's fair game for the murderous Foster... It would be lovely to see...

    He'd also have fucking butchered Hopkins, no disagreement there
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    It's fairly well known Hopshit boiled down to 160 and could have made 175 comfortably too
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Hut (I think) sees my point. Whether you think they both suck or they're both greats, they belong together in the same boat. What pisses me off is when I see one guy heralded as an all time great genius who walks on water whilst the other is seen as some kind of windmill on crack. They've had practically identical careers.
     
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    as I said, Hopkins too would die
     
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