Jermaine Taylor vs. Felix Trinidad @ 160

Yes, Tito was not a middleweight. He would beat Mierda, but not JT and not Pavlik no way. Tito would get manhandled. Tito was better at 154 then JT could ever be at 160. I think with Tito, people think he is better than he was because he was so great to watch. He was a B level guy who got matched well.

 

no....but STYLES makes fights...thats what i was trying to imply...

 

All these over one fight...one fight against Miranda..like you said Shitty chin...so Pavlik with a shitty chin beat TRinidad easy..10 out of 10....right...right...

Let wait and see him vs. Taylor at least......


Pavlik doesn't jab, leads with teh right hand, got hit by Miranda slow loopy rights...and was stun a few times..but he still beat Trinidad....10 out of 10 times.....lets WAIT...to see him with other fighters....

 

Trinidad is not some great fighter or power puncher at 160. Tito had no chin either. Honestly, you guys must have seen a different Tito Trinidad. Tito was 3-2 at Middleweight, beating a murderers row of Joppy, Cherifi and Mayorga(a Welterweight) and he got humiliated and shutout by Hopkins and Winky. I might even pick Miranda over him come to think of it. Any top 5-7 Middleweight would brutalize Tito at 160. He just wasn't that good.

 

William Joppy didn't.

 

Joppy was terrible. One of the worst titlist ever. I mean, whose his biggest win? Roberto Duran pushing 50:: :: I think Joppy is about the only titlist he could beat. He wouldn't beat Sturm, Pavlik, Taylor or many others. He might beat Abraham but maybe not.

 

Bullshit. You know nothing.

 

I agree with jin muzsely, taylor beats trinidad.

 

At a game of chess maybe. Just cause Taylor "beat" Hopkins, who beat Tito, doesnt mean Taylor beats Tito. Felix pre-Hopkins would have fucked up the Taylor of today.

 

Exactly. Now ask yourself this: Why did Tito land almost zero punches against Wright yet Taylor landed dozens per rd? Is it because JT is such a great offensive fighter? No, it's because Wright knew that one punch from Tito could end the fight, so he didn't allow Tito to land shit. Against Taylor Winky threw caution to the wind and brawled with the guy. Winky had the style to beat Tito, Taylor has never shown such a style.

 

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Jer-bum Taylor is so horrible I honestly think Mickey Ward would decision him 7 rounds to 5.:kick:

 

Trinidad would have ruined Pavlik and Taylor. Pavlik would have been stopped for sure, and Taylor would maybe last the distance but not without taking a beating along the way.

 

that logic is not the reason I'd pick taylor. trinidad doesn't present the problems the three guys who troubled taylor (spinks,wink,hopkins) in his career did defensively. taylor is bigger and stronger than trinidad and also could outjab him.

 

Contrary to popular belief a great jab is not the deciding factor in beating Trinidad. Not getting hit by him is. Both Oscar and Hopkins used great footwork and movement to keep away from him, and Wright employed an impenatrable arm defense never allowing one good punch to get through. Sure their jabs scored the points, but if not for being elusive or defensive enough to avoid Tito's shots they wouldn't have been standing up to throw their shots.

So can you people honestly say you think JT could just jab away at Tito for 12rds without ever fielding one good shot from Tito? Ridiculous, JT has been hit with good shots by everyone he's ever faced and Tito would be no exception. The Floyd-DLH fight already showed that size isn't much of a factor. Didn't the light punching Wright swell up JT's face? Imagine what Tito would have done. JT would have gotten fucked up and sorry PuertoRock, but the only way I see JT finishing on his feet would be similar to Reid where he takes a career ending beating over 12 rds.

Are you people even factoring in that Tito is not only a future hall of famer, but also one of the most consistently powerful punchers ever. But I guess a mediocre middleweight with a jab and being a little bigger than him would win. To be honest it isn't even JT's mediocrity that is the problem, it's just that he doesn't have the style to win. Period.

 

Great Post!:bears:

 

Some of you guys make it seem like Taylor needs great footwrok to win this fight. Taylor presents a major problem in size and strength. Plus you add in his long jab and good right hand, I don't see Tito having to much success. It's not like Tito was a great middleweight, with great power. Taylor's chin is pretty solid from what I've seen so far. I'm not saying this would be a schooling far from it, but Jermain presents to much problems for Tito from a physically standpoint. I think a 7-5 decision for taylor isn't out of the question.

 

Can you give me an example of a historic fight where a slight size advantage swung the fight in the favor of the lesser fighter, because I'm really trying to see this the same way as you and the other 3 or 4 posters who keep using this as their reasoning.

 

At 160 Taylor is not the lesser fighter. He's alot more proven then Tito is.

 

• Ezzard Charles vs. Charley Burley I and II
• Gerald McClellan vs. Julian Jackson I and II
• Jeff Clark vs. Sam Langford
• Billy Miske vs. Tommy Gibbons
• Kid Norfolk vs. Harry Greb
• Max Baer vs. Max Schmeling
• Seal Harris vs. Larry Gaines
• Mike McTigue vs. Tiger Flowers
• Jack Delaney vs. Mike McTigue
• Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas
• Hasim Rahman vs. James Toney (draw, my ass)
• Jerry Quarry vs. Ken Norton

There are more, of course.

 

that is some biased shit there

 

Don't even think of talking about boxing before 1997, boy.

 

judging by ur make a wish photo, u might be 10 years older than me at most...which would put u unable to comment on things prior to 1987

 

No, you shouldn't talk about anything before 1997 because you know nothing about the era. You're a joke.

 

it is kinda hard for me to talk about Jimmy "seven teeth" Wicksburg who fought a man with three arms. Frankly there's no footage of Jimmy so I've never seen him. Its ok though, he'd bash RJJ, and I rank him 3rd all time at 118.

 

Dayum, some toothless aggression going on in here ::

You 2 crack me up :laughing:

 

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Damn Jaws.

 

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But tell me, how is it biased? Lb for lb asked for a few historical examples of how a slight weight difference has let a lesser fighter win. I gave a dozen examples, and you started whining like the little bitch you are. You've posted nothing relevant since then.