Jorge Barrios Pulls Out of Sept. 15 Fight with JMM

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Good point about Juarez-Guerrero. I actually thought the card was solid at the beginning, not now.

 

because of Juarez/Guerrero?::

Juarez is one luck sob. Not to long he got two shots at Barrera. Was scheduled to fight for Guerrero's belt. now he'll fight JMM on the main event. That dude has been overrated since he came out of the olympics.

 

No because of.....

JMM-Barrios
Guerrero-Juarez
Ouma-Mora
Bojado-Forbes

Granted barrios is not that great but he is a big 130 pounder. he would have been the first real 130 pound guy that JMM fought and he would have pushed the fight. JMM-Juarez is just a boring ass fight. So the cards main event is downgraded. Then Guerrero-Juarez is off which downgrades the undercard as well. The other 2 fights are OK but won't be action packed. The card went from good in my eyes to not so good.

 

Steve Kim:

Finkel tells Maxboxing that 'the Ghost' will now face either Martin Honorio or Rogers Mtagwa.

As for the rumors that Marquez and his representatives turned down Joan Guzman, Gomez states clearly “It was never offered.”

 

I had a feeling Juarez would be bumped up to the main event, but I'm not sure it hurts the card that much because this card never looked that great to me.

I do think people are selling Rocky a little short in this fight based on the Barrera rematch - and he's always had a tendency to be way too passive/selective in his punch output - but he gave Barrera a very tough fight in the first fight and it was Barrera who chose to stink out the joint by "running out the clock" in the rematch.

I don't think JMM can or will play it safe to the extent MAB did in the rematch.

I have no real interest in the two other fights, and overall I don't really see a need for any of the (proposed) fights to be made.

This whole event just seemed to me like they were going through the motions, filling up a pay per view slot because it's the middle of September and that means a Mexican pay per view...just like Cinco de Mayo weekend.

This was a pedestrian effort from the beginning.

I'd pay more to watch Joan Guzman-Humberto Soto by itself than this entire fight card.

 

Juarez is disgusting. An eyesore.

 

JMM-Barios = HBO BAD
Guerrero Juarez = Shobox
Ouma-Mora = ESPN2
Bojado-Forbes = Telefutura

Moving Juarez up to fight JMM = Vs.
Guerrero left to fight Honorio or Mtagwa = CSI

Whatever this shit was, it wasn't ppv worthy and I liked the JMM/Barios matchup.

Now, it's just puke.

 

Don't count out Juarez just yet.
All he needs is one on anyone and they can be out of there.
The fight still has to be fought, and he has the puncher's chance.
Win or lose, he is gonna stun Marquez, particularly if Juan Manuel comes to fight him.
Marquez is probably going to try and stink him out to a points win and rarely engage him in exchanges.
If Rocky moves in on him and lets his hands go, which I think he will, this could get very interesting and Rocky is very comfortable at that weight as well.

 

Rocky Juarez and "letting his hands go" should never be used in the same sentence.

 

i thought rocky lost on the oscar-floyd undercard. marquez should wins easily unless he gets old over night.

 

You don't know that yet.
I think he will this time, and we will have to wait and see.
There is never a "sure thing" against a pure puncher, which Juarez is whether anyone likes him or not here.

 

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yeah right. if a fight is close, you automatically go the other way and scream robbery. just like Grigsby beat Solis, right?

 

this is garbage. we went from having a good main event, and a solid under-card, to having a crap main event, and a decent under-card.

fkn Barrios. why can't JMM fight a real 130 pounder?

 

did i say it was a robbery? i thought hernandez beat juarez by a slim margin. my point in bringing that up is to simply say that juarez just isnt that good in my opinion.

you're the only one i've seen so far who thought solis beat grigsby.

 

well i agree with you that Juarez isn't that good. and he's especially ill-equipped to deal with the likes of JMM. JMM will dominate him easily.

i forget who it was, but there was another poster on here who agreed with me that Solis beat Grigsby. and for what it's worth, the commentators felt he won too.

 

well that's interesting. i never saw the replay on tv, but from ringside, i had grigsby winning 8 or 9 rounds. other observers felt the same and fans also booed the decision.

grigsby is a boring fighter and there wouldnt have been a demand for the rematch had solis decisively won the first fight.

I cannot take your opinion on this issue seriously since you are heavily biased when it comes to mexicans vs. slick black fighters. don't try to deny that either.

 

the other thing is, and i'm sure others have already touched on it, juarez/guerrero was a compelling match-up. and honest to god pick-em fight. now, instead we'll most likely end up with two show-case fights - one for JMM (against Juarez), and one for Guerrero (against TBA).

of course, when all is said and done, it will all be worth it if Ouma manages to bash Mora.

 

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Double L- Where did you see the first Solis-Grigsby fight? :dunno:

 

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it's funny that you see it that way. because honest to god it has nothing to do with the color of the fighters' skin. or even the different styles.

i think too often in fights you have one guy who wants to fight, and the other guy, who does everything he can not to. and a lot of times, this is mistaken for being, 'slick.' but it doesn't meet my criteria for slick.

slick is a guy like Forbes. or vintage PBF. not a guy like Willie Jorrin or Mark Breland. those guys are just stinkers.

 

i think the replay was on MSG or comcast.

 

there were two of them? if so, i may not have seen it at all. the one i saw was on versus. i didn't realize they'd fought twice. maybe joony and i are talking about two different fights?

 

grigsby is a slick black fighter. solis is a mexican. am i wrong?

lets look this for a minute and see who's in the minority.

floyd-castillo I - you called it a robbery didnt u?
floyd-castillo II - didnt you think castillo won?
chavez-whitaker - didnt you think this was a close fight and not a robbery?
grigsby-solis I - same as above or did you think solis won clearly?

 

uh. i guess so.

Solis-Grigsby I was on the undercard of Bell-Mormeck I which was on Showtime. I dont recall that fight being televised anywhere.

I asked you the same thing Val asked a few days ago and you said something like versus or comcast.

 

well i must be talking about the rematch. i didn't realize they'd fought twice. did you watch the rematch?

 

yes. the rematch ended in a KO.

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a gift versus Grigsby? i thought he beat Grigsby clearly. you shouldn't sling that word around so much. it was a messy fight because Grigsby did nothing but hold, but Solis clearly won it.
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where did you see the fight? it wasnt televised.

i saw it at ringside w/ carlos and we both had grigsby winning 8 rounds. but then again, you thought the whitaker-chavez draw was a fair decision.
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where did you see the fight? it wasnt televised.

i saw it at ringside w/ carlos and we both had grigsby winning 8 rounds. but then again, you thought the whitaker-chavez draw was a fair decision.
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yes. you're wrong. this is my point. grigsby isn't always slick. he's fast. but often he's more of a stinker than slick.

yes. and many will agree with me. no way did PBF win that fight.

i never really argued one way or the other. my main position when it comes to this fight is that it wasn't the land-slide blow-out that people like to pretend it was. it was a 7-5, 6-6 type fight, with PBF winning 2 of the last 3 rounds, giving the false impression he won it easily.

again. my argument here was that it wasn't the highway robbery that people act like it was. it was a close fight with chavez doing plenty of good work, and certainly not getting schooled.

it's looking now like i've never even seen this fight. so obviously i will not comment on it. :doh:

 

okay, which grigsby fight have you seen? because he wasn't on TV for years until he came back against burgos about 2 years ago. he looked pretty slick then.

yea, many thought castillo beat floyd the first time, but there were others who also thought mayweather won that fight. or it could've been a draw.

i didnt see castillo winning 7 rounds.

mayweather clearly beat castillo in the rematch. there's no way castillo won 6 rounds. he also had the look of a loser afterwards and did not complain about the decision.

i'm not gonna bother with whitaker-chavez. chavez was in the fight for the first 4 rounds and it was pretty much over from there. not a competitive fight.

 

well if they bring in Honorio your theory of it being a showcase fight for Ghost goes out the window as I think it's a pick em fight

 

i've seen Grigsby/Carbajal, Grigsby/Lopez, Grigsby/Burgos and Grigsby/Solis II.

 

I thought I saw it as well. I have no idea where though, maybe Kingvision, French, British or German TV.