Juan Manuel Lopez v. Rafael Marquez: Final predictions!

Same, I've been saying it for ages. Tonight does nothing to change my opinion. I picked Marquez, but not to TOTALLY discredit Lopez, he showed heart and determination, it's more to do with Marquez looking crap and out of his element at featherweight.

 

Gamboa is not that good either. He's the new Zab Judah. Alot of athleticism and flash but very little substance.

He leaves himself open too, has been knocked down 4 times against nobodies and none of them have been big punchers. Fights like an amateur trying to imitate the defense of Mayweather. If nothing else, Rafa Marquez is a harder puncher than anybody Gamboa has fought. For all the criticism of Lopez competition Gamboa's has been worse. MUCH WORSE.

Lopez's chin is more proven. And he's dealt with adversity before.

Disagree Gamboa is a harder hitter. And he doesn't have much in terms of true skill. And his chin is unproven.

He has just as much a chance as getting KO'd as Lopez does.

 

REED would FAVOR Gamboa, but he's NOT Disciplined Enough to B a Sure Thing Over Lopez...All that Hands by the Side Shit WON'T Fly Against JuanMa....



REED:kidcool:

 

Honestly that's what I thought at first, but Gamboa is improving in each fight.

With Lopez, the opposite is true. He looks worse in almost every fight.

Gamboa is becoming more polished, more disciplined, and less amateurish.

I thought he was a complete style over substance fighter, but he's getting better and he looks pretty legit to me now, at least offensively.

I think Gamboa hits MUCH harder than Lopez. Ask Mtagwa who hits harder. The only time Lopez has looked like a proper puncher is against Ponce De Leon, which is a pretty good win actually. Other than that his power looks decent and nothing more, including tonight against an old bantamweight in Marquez.

When the two fight, it'll be clear than Gamboa is by far the harder puncher of the two.

They both have pretty crap defense, but offensively Gamboa is in a different league, and is much faster.

Lopez's only chance in the fight is mental strength. He better just hope that Gamboa lacks mental fortitude, ironically like Judah.

 

Exactly...

Considering the VULNERABILITY that Gamboa has REPEATEDLY Shown, REED Certainly WOULDN'T Wager Much on a Gamboa Win....



REED:dancingBaby:

 

Totally agREED...

REED has No Problem w/Gamboa Being FAVORED, but it's NOT like he's just Gonna Walk Thru JuanMa...50-50 Fight (or 60-40 for Gamboa MAX) like U Said....



REED:dancingBaby:

 

Disagree. This is the best Lopez has looked. I expected much less from him defensively and that was the whole reason I had Marquez winning. Marquez was trying to time him and didn't have too much success.

 

I think Gamboa is literally going to demolish Lopez, I don't even see it as a close fight to be honest. I think his speed, accuracy and power are going to do a number on the slower, sloppier, more predictable Lopez.

And about Lopez's power, I think his power is average at world level, which I feel was exposed tonight.

Marquez looked like a frail mid 30's bantamweight tonight, slightly out of his depth at featherweight, and Lopez couldn't even hurt him. Couldn't come close to decking him or KOing him like Izzy did.

His accumulation of punches sort of hurt Marquez and wore him down, but single punches did nothing basically.

When they fight, you'll see Gamboa hits much harder.

Gamboa probably wins within 4 rounds. Lopez's main chance in this fight is that Gamboa lacks mental fortitude or balls etc.

 

Marquez looked like an old bantamweight, and had more success than he should.

Lopez looked plenty hittable to me, Marquez just ran out of steam and got overpowered and outworked by Lopez to an extent.

 

Lopez fucked him up. His only chance to win would have been Weeks D'q Juan Ma.

 

Well thats a fair assesment.

But Gamboa's last fight didn't look too polished either. And he got hit plenty times as well. He was just fortunate that Salido didn't have a big punch to hurt him with. And Gamboa's power didn't look too threatening there either.

But he is better than he was before. But I still see an amateur in there when he fights. He gets away with alot because of his reflexes and athleticism but with his chin and bad balance hes' no sure thing of a victory either.

Lopez has shown that he can take a beating and keep on fighting and that may very well turn out to be a big factor when they meet down the line.

 

Lopez will beat the shit out of Gamboa. Lopez is the real deal.

 

That's just It...NONE of the Guys that have Dropped Gamboa Hit as Hard as JuanMa Does...JuanMa's a SLIGHT Underdog in that Fight, but No More....



REED:hammert:

 

Don't see how anybody can say hes an underdog. Juan Mas skills and accomplishments are way above Gamboas.

 

I'd make Juanma the fav over Gamboa. Gamboa losses a lot after the first few rounds.

 

Well, REED agREED w/Puerto Rock in Calling it a "50-50" Fight...But Based on Ammy Pedigree & a Bit MORE Exposure, REED Would EXPECT Gamboa to B a SLIGHT Betting Favorite...



REED:hammert:

 

Kinda diminished Wards win I guess.

 

My thoughts about the fight,


Both fighters showed tremendous heart and guts. This is probably fight of the year 2010. I think we boxing fans deserved this awesome brawl. Juanma Lopez vulnerabilities makes him very exciting to watch but he will eventually will get beat. He makes too many mistakes and gets wild. To his credit however he took some serious shots in round 4 and didnt go down, any other fighter might have been ko'd. I was sure Marquez was gonna win but Juanma's youth and desire won him the fight.


Very entertaining fight! :bears:

 

who cares? ward won every second of that fight and i virtually saw it as a tune up. i've never said anything positive about green in my days of posting here. he's simply not a good fighter and has zero significant wins in his career over a top 10 opponent.

 

just watched this fight. sucks that marquez lost, but it was still a good performance from an old man who's definitely past his prime.

i still think lopez vs. gamboa is a toss up. i highly doubt that lopez will stand in there and trade with gamboa. i favor gamboa but not by much.

 

Juanma is a talented fighter, and he has a very strong will and competitive spirit. These are all good traits, and few fighters have them all in abundance. His heart may well save him (if it hasn't already) down the line when he is in trouble.

But without a more disciplined application of his style, his will and spirit are going to get him hurt. Or at the very least they will shorten his career. Taking the kind of punishment he took against Marquez is stupid, and it's unnecessary at this point in his career. He needs to work on his defense, and he needs to fight smarter. This does not mean stop being aggressive, or turn into today's Zab Judah. Just plug holes, and do it quickly.

I am not sure I have EVER seen a fighter at this level of competition make as bad a defensive mistake as Juanma makes repeatedly when he throws the right hooks or sweeping right hands. He actually finishes with his entire torso turned AWAY from his opponent, and his head (unguarded) facing to his left. He cannot BLOCK a left hook from that position, and worse, he cannot SEE a left hook from that position.

Marquez saw this right away. If you watch the fight closely, Marquez was repeatedly waiting for an over-aggressive Juanma to throw the right hook he loves so much while he (Marquez) tucked under it and shifted onto his left foot, then BAM throw the left hook. That's one of the reasons Marquez was constantly crouching down into Juanma's chest in the fight, he was waiting to line up the hook. This is why Juanma kept pushing Marquez's head down when he did this. Over and over Marquez caught Juanma flush with the left hook, who was just barely turning his head back toward Marquez at that time so as to catch it in the JAW.

Right now, Juanma has stunning recuperative powers. But that NEVER lasts. Never. Sometimes guys with an "iron chin" remain that way throughout their careers, but that is because their defense stays solid and their chin stays tucked. They rarely get hit by punches they aren't ready for. That is a far cry from the guy who gets hurt all the time, but manages to recuperate fast. Little by little those fighters recuperate slower and slower.

Juanma/Gamboa is a hard prospect to judge. Gamboa is so sloppy at times, with that chin stuck up in the air, and Juanma is more aggressive and excellent at applying pressure with an offensive arsenal. But Gamboa is faster, and athletically more gifted. There is no question Gamboa will crack Juanma if that fight happens. Yet how will Gamboa fare when in trouble, and not in control of the fight? And Juanma's competition has been far better in the pros. Don't know. Maybe I'd favor Gamboa marginally.

 

Agreed. Weeks was awful last night.

 

he also has no insignificant wins over a top 10 opponent and no significant wins over non top 10 opponents...

 

Who knows. Marquez has been a warrior for a long time, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But it could have been his way of escaping a fight he didn't have much chance left to win.

 

True. I see this bout similar to the hatton - Tszyu fight.

 

He DIDN'T Have a Chance of Winning...Marquez SHOT his Load in the Middle Rounds...1nce JuanMa WEATHERED that Storm, the Fight had Become 1-Sided...The Few Shots that Marquez Continued to Land had ZERO Affect on JuanMa...



REED:kidcool:

 

agREED...REED Cuts the Old Cat Some Slack, Similar to Chavez-DeLa II...



REED:dancingBaby:

 

It's funny, you know what, I haven't even seen the Salido fight ::

I've been so busy with work recently, I've been slack with following boxing. Did he not look too hot?

As I say, I do think Gamboa's offense is much better, with a big edge in speed too, however I do acknowledge that Lopez's potential edge in mental strength/toughness could be significant.

He has shown he can take a beating and keep fighting and win.

I don't think much of Lopez as a fighter, but that kind of physical and mental toughness can't be taken lightly, it often proves to be the most significant factor in a match.

 

The Mtagwa fight says everyone has a chance against Juanma if they can stay on their feet. With Marquez's power and Lopez's workrate to the point of the stoppage, I think it was very possible, but not likely.