Juan Manuel Marquez: "I've accepted the Pacquiao offer" 144 lb catchweight

I'm a huge JMM fan so I'm pumped for this shit.

Honestly I also thought that Manny would make him come up to 147. But the catch weight blocks GLB from matching the offer.

I can understand JMM taking a tune up but why David Diaz at 140? what would that do for him? aside from getting rid fo ring rust it's pointless.

people should not compare this fight with JMM coming up to fight Floyd at 140 +

Floyd is a bigger, smarter version of JMM not to mention more athletic.

pacquiao is a different type of fighter. He and JMM will always match up well. Also the Mental aspect where JMM believes he's beaten him at least once. Not many fighters have that confidence when facing Pacquiao.

I remember for the rematch people said that Pacquiao was 4 years better while JMM was 4 years older.

alot of people just assumed Pacquiao would detroy him based on their performances leading up to the rematch. The second fight was closer than the first. :fightme:

 

issed: Yeah that's PBF's fault though right? well I guess it is but horrible reasoning to justify this matchup.

 

who the hell said that's Floyd's fault? what fault? The hell your talking about?

Floyd is naturally bigger than both so it doesn't matter what weight you match JMM and pacquiao it will be a close competitive fight.

you complain about this fight. So who should Pacquiao fight? Don't say Floyd cause he is too busy choking bouncers and getting in more trouble. So that ain't happening.

 

If Arum was serious about having Manny fight Floyd, the fight would be on.

Why even have PBF fight Manny since Floyd is "naturally bigger"??

 

So you're actually picking Marquez right?

 

What does everyone think Marquez is best doing weight wise? Come in light and fast or maximize his size?

 

Not maximise his size.

He has a bigger frame than Manny, but just doesn't carry the weight well. He's not suited to anything above 135 really.

His best bet is to stay as fast as possible to minimise the difference in speed.

He's not going to be as strong or powerful as Manny, so not point in trying.

And he surely wants to come in lighter than against Floyd, where he just looked sluggish and awful.

BUT, there is one thing. Perhaps the more weight he puts on, the better he'll be able to absorb a punch (to some extent anyway). So that's the downside to coming in at 140 or less.

 

It'd be even shittier if they had a catch-weight and Pac completely disregarded it.

 

What'd be EVEN shittier is if Pac had ducked his opponent at 135, then waited to fight him until he was much older at a weight he was already shown to be fat and ineffectual at, getting schooled 12-0 by Pac's rival (who he is ducking due to his fear of needles).

 

This is Manny's toughest fight since the last time he fought Marquez. JMM isn't going to be touching gloves every 5 seconds. El dinimita is a warrior with amazing skill.

 

He probably enters the ring at around 144 anyway. So just means he won't dry out first.

 

I'd have to revisit the rules, but I'm almost positive that if you're contending for a divisional title, you have to weigh within that weight division.

That had a lot to do with why Roy never fully entertained the idea of staying at heavyweight. Once the cruiserweight limit was raised from 190 to 200, I'm pretty sure he knew that he wouldn't be effective at anything higher than what he weighed for the Ruiz fight.

Anyway, for that reason, I'm pretty sure Marquez would have to weigh at least 141 lb. (might even be a minimum of 2 lb. above the next lowest weight class).

 

His pockets might be a safer place :: ... although given past imagery and the fact that he drinks his own piss, maybe your suggestion might be something he'll enjoy?

 

I forgot about that, but yes, I think you're right. It's probably at least 141 he'll have to weigh.

 

He looked softer and podgier against Floyd than he does at lightweight.

 

Pac weighed under 147 vs Margarito as I recall. Might be wrong.

 

No according to boxrec Im not - he was 144.5 when he won the light middleweight title.

 

Oh yeah shit, that's right. I thought he'd never weighed in at more than 145.

Weird, maybe they just bent the rules a bit because it's Pacquiao and because it's Texas?

 

I'm not sure I see a reason for there being a rule. You don't gain an unfair advantage by being under the limit & from the perspective of sanctioning the fight safety/competitiveness wise, that's surely the responsibility of the governing body when the fight's initially mooted? From then a fighters weights a tactical choice.

 

Yeah it's a strange rule and i'm not sure if every sanctioning body has it. (if that matters)

It can be an advantage for the larger guy though. Putting on pounds can be more difficult for a lot of fighters than losing them. The lighter fighter is almost always quicker. If they're forced to artificially bulk up that's going to make a difference.

 

Maybe it is there for a safety measure, but I agree, the rule probably shouldn't exist.

It should be up to the fighter to come in at whatever weight he wants, and perhaps upto a governing body to OK a fight, to prevent total mismatches.

I remember when 155 pound Genki Sudo beat Butterbean in MMA ::

I want to see more David Vs Goliath fights in boxing.

 

the rule is in place for corrupt commissions likely to sanction complete shams as long as a promoter is willing to put up money.

 

Brings to mind how SRR used to weigh in with silver dollars in his pockets for middleweight fights.