KERMIT CINTRON: PAUL WILLIAMS DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT ME, I'D KNOCK HIM OUT

Well I'm with CYC on this and not because I'm a Mosley fan. I don't see how you can rate Cintron's brawl where both guys took a lot of damage over Mosley's more dominating performance where he displayed a lot more defense and took a lot less damage.

Besides that I don't think the Estrada fight should be an issue at this point. It was so long ago and since then Cintron's been working out with Stewart at the Kronk and has seemed to show improvement in his last 2 fights.

 

Mosley's fight with Estrada wasn't impressive at all. In fact, at times it became quite stinky. Also, it's not like Estrada didn't land right hands on Mosley.

And the only time Estrada landed anything real on Cintron was when Cintron had already hurt Estrada and was going in for the kill and leaving himself open. Estrada won two rounds in that fight. And Cintron beat the hell out of him.

 

mosley didnt look good at all vs estrada, but that had more to do w/ mosley who was coming off two consecutive losses and subsequently, he also looked like doo doo vs that club mexican fighter jose loser cruz.

mosley nearly had estrada out w/ some hellacious body shots, but didnt follow up for whatever reasons.

just because cintron KOed estrada doesnt mean that he's better than mosley. stylistically, they're two completely different fighters.

 

precisely

 

i don't think anyone has suggested that Cintron is better than Mosley. the discussion here is whether or not Cintron is a B- fighter who would lose to various journeymen. that is the claim that I'm refuting. that and the idea that cintron/estrada was some sort of neck and neck fight that cintron miraculously pulled out just when it looked like he'd lose.

cintron certainly took a high contact approach to his fight with estrada, and took some vicious right hands on the chin while he waited for the counter left hook, but in the end he stopped estrada. and along the way he landed some titoesque right hands that made you wonder whether estrada was gonna lose his life that night.

 

I didn't think Mosley had a difficult time with Estrada. he seemed content with boxing the guy. He could have gone for the kill after hurting Estrada to the body, but he seemed content with getting the rounds in.

The reason Cintron stopped Estrada is due to his going for the KO and being a bigger puncher than Mosley. Cintron was never in any real danger of losing the fight and neither was Mosley.

Cintron-Estrada was more like Cintron-Reid. Reid had a few moments but at the end of the day, he couldn't handle Kermit's power.

 

come to think of it, Mosley/Cintron would be a helluva fight. and i'd be a little scared for Mosley, although you have to think his strength would be a big factor.

 

At this point, Cintron would beat Mosley. He's too strong and too youthful for him. The 2001 version of Shane would decimate any version of Cintron.

 

whether or not he would, the fact that you think so is interesting when you consider there's people calling Cintron a B- fighter and suggesting that he's not on the same level as Cotto, Mosley or PBF.

i think Cintron/Cotto would be interesting as well.

how do you see Cintron/Williams panning out, if it gets made?

 

God I love the welterweight division.

 

It's not a matter of what Cintron is, it's what Mosley is not these days. I still pick Mosley over Cotto because he doesn't present the physical (height and reach) problems Cintron does.

Mosley has always has issues with tall and long guys. He hasn't had trouble with guys his size like Cotto. In fact, I expect Cotto to appear thicker than Shane, but Shane will have a reach and slight height advantage.

 

Right there with you, homey.

I don't think of Cintron as an elite fighter at this time, BUT one thing I love about him is he takes risks and is willing to bang

 

That's not a sure thing. Though I'd probably give him a better chance than Cotto because of the height and length not to mention Steward knowing exactly how to teach him to exploit Mosley's weaknesses. Shane just looked to good in the Collazo fight for me to start saying he's going to lose to guys because of his age. His reflexes and speed are still sharp.

People diminish Shane's fight with Estrada because they were expecting the young Mosley who just blew guys on that level away. True he wasn't spectacular like Sugar, but he fought a very impressive defensive boxing match and dominated from what I saw.

 

We'll have to see how Shane looks vs Cotto. But personally I dont think Cintron could beat the Mosley from the Vargas fights. Shane is still too quick for him. Mosley had trouble with Forrest, but you have to remember that a prime Forrest was pretty damn quick himself, more so than Cintron who has only average handspeed to go with his power.

 

Agreed.

Again, I'd love to see Williams-Cintron....

As far as Mosley, I do think Cintron is a VERY dangerous fight for him at this stage.

People forget how much Forrest was able to land his shots, especially his right hand - and Vernon isn't De La Hoya in terms of speed.

What Forrest did for his fights with Mosley is straighten out his right hand...which is exactly the way Cintron throws it. He also used a stiff jab to keep Mosley on the outside...yet another Kermit strength.

Granted, Cintron isn't as tall/long as Vernon...but the reach is about the same and some of the physical issues exist.

And Cintron has Manny in his corner.

Peace.

 

I think a better fight for Cintron would be against Clottey. Rather than watch Williams borderline stinkout the joint by keeping Cintron at a distance with the jab and clinching when he gets inside, I'd rather see Cintron fight a guy who tries to actually hurt him.

Clottey, Cintron and Williams. These 3 are going to be the most avoided semi-big names right now because they're not worth the risk and just like Witter and Harris they need to be pitted against each other to make something happen.