Khan is pretty good ya'll...

Khan has a dig, not lights out power but certainly enough to discourage

 

Tszyu couldn't stop a prime Hatton from getting inside and he landed several flush, hard shots on Ricky's jaw. Khan's 1-2 holds no fear for the 2003-06 version of Hatton. None at all.

MTF

 

Kostya and Ricky were almost the same height. While Kostya certainly punched harder, once Ricky slipped he was on the inside.

Khowards reach would still give him problems because he wouldn't be within punching range. That's a large part of why I picked Khoward to beat Judah. Didn't think Zab could break the distance and get inside. Ricky would have the same issues...especially early.

"However"

The main difference is, Ricky wouldn't stop applying pressure. he'd take the fight to Khoward whereas Zab stayed on the outside. Hatton's pressure would mentally get Khoward off his game I think moreso than actual punches...early.

I could see Hatton losing too many early rounds then closing the show well while Khoward pulls a DLH-Trinidad (the last three rounds) and looks to survive the fight.

Khoward is young and athletic enough to get away from these short armed guys...it's no different than Oscar when he fought guys like Jesse James Leija and Jorge Paez. If you don't have one mahor eraser it will be difficult to heavily discourage Khoward...which is why conditioning is a huge factor for him.

I pick Khoward to beat Bradley for the same reasons...Bradley has ok handspeed but he punches so wide Khoward will never miss him. Bradley's a sucker for the left hook.

If I'm Khoward's team when I go to 147 the first person I look for is Debon Alexander...he can't punch...shorter guy who gets hit. Although Berto can hit a little bit, that's not a bad fight for Khoward either...providing he gets into NO exchanges. Berto turns his lights out if he catches him clean.

 

Hatton would have a considerable advantage in footspeed- it was the only real world class attribute he had. He always used this to try and get inside and he got there against Tszyu (and broke him up) and even Floyd (who bullied Hatton inside and is the only person ever to do so) so I'd wager he'd get there plenty against Khan, who has very basic footwork and no inside game at all.

MTF

 

Where?

 

The ref didn't let either fighter do anything on the inside. It was instant-break, particularly in the first few rounds when Hatton was fresh.

 

Not available in my country :say: :Steve-Dave/MMA:

Cheers though

 

Here's what I found in the Prediction thread #88 from you:

"same here

lamb to a slaughter

Judah had, at best, a puncher's chance VERY early

but I figured he'd get beaten very clearly and stopped (though I thought it'd be around the 10th or so, but Judah decided to quit)

Judah hasn't looked dangerous against a world-class opponent in years"

Of course, you made this comment AFTER the fight. If you made a similar comment BEFORE the fight, I still haven't seen it. So how about backing it up now?

People who were calling it EASY in that thread were steve_dave, neil, V10, and especially Caligula II who was practically begging people to bet him on the fight. You? Not so much (unless I missed it which is why I asked in the first place). You said what I quoted. Of course, you've since bragged like Manny Steward more than any of the other guys who did make the EASY call.

 

opcorn:

 

I agree with this, but think khan's jab & movement early would frustrate hatton before hatton takes over & khan's lack of stamina shows.

 

oh, fuck off, you idiot

I never bet in general... you could have Peter McNeely challenge Vitali for the heavyweight title tomorrow and I'd pick Vitali KO1... but that means I'm NOT SERIOUS unless I PLACE A BET

I've never placed a bet over the internet in my life

Again, I'm not bragging about anything... But when faggots like you are in here accusing me of anti-Khan bias because I'm not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since Sugar Ray Robinson, I have to keep reminding you that I picked Khan to win because I was 100% confident he would easily beat Judah... what, the pick isn't good enough? "Khan KO10... Judah has only a puncher's chance early" ... I am supposed to write a manifesto about it?

fuck off, ya idiot

 

[1] Fuck, all you've done is brag since the fight got over. First by pretending that you made the EASY call and second, by shoving it down everyone's throat since. Despite the fact that you just picked Khan by KO10 and gave Judah an early chance (now) by your own admission.

[2] You don't have to remind me of shit. I don't care who you picked, I just got sick of you saying how you knew it would be sooo EASY for Khan when that wasn't what I remembered you saying. Remember...you said they are both faggots and Khan was complete shit. Now you're saying Bradley is nothing special and Khan's speed would definitely trouble him.

[3] You don't have to write a manifesto, but a simple "My name is cdogg187 and I talk bullshit all the time" would be a nice start for you to get some redemption around here. Do I expect that to happen? Of course not. I'm sure you'll continue to bash every boxer and then say how you knew that they would lose when they finally do lose...but all the while revising your positions so that you can brag no matter what happens. For example, if Judah had won, all we'd be hearing from you is how you said "Khan was complete shit" prior to the fight.

 

If he could call the exact round every fight would end in, I'm pretty sure cdogg would have better things to do than post around here.

 

Khan IS COMPLETE SHIT

beating Judah doesn't make him great, I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand

Imagining that his speed could prove troubling for Bradley is also NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF KHAN'S GREATNESS... Your position is based on a falsehood: that I see Bradley as being some really tremendous boxer, as you obviously do .... but, I don't see him that way.

Again, no bragging has taken place... everyone keeps saying to me "you think Khan is shit, but I bet you picked Judah or you thought he would struggle" ... And I have to keep saying "No, I picked Khan because it was pretty obvious he would win handily" ... even you, being the illiterate monkey that you are, after I had already picked Khan said to me "if you're so confident of Judah, why don't you bet on him?" ... fucking mook, I had already picked Khan a page earlier and you still didn't get it... you couldn't be bothered to even read the page right before, yet here you are now chasing down anything I've written trying to make a case against me that doesn't fucking exist

Where the fuck have I picked against a guy over and over and then said "I told you so" if he lost? go find that, Inspector Gadget... It's never happened... I picked KHan to beat Judah (sue me because I failed to say the exact phrase "with ease" and didn't predict the EXACT round) and if you go back further, you brainless scrub, you will see I picked him to beat Maidana!

your problem (one of many) is that you think in order for me to think that Khan is basically an athletic but deeply flawed boxer lucky enough to be competing in a shitty division in a shitty era (which is fucking precisely the case), it means I have to back that view up by picking every guy under the sun to knock him dead... it doesn't work that way... the division is shit, the "top" guy is Tim fucking Bradley, for crying out loud... Saying that Khan has a good chance at beating him is in no way contradictory to my core view of Khan as a fighter... Bradley isn't a great fighter, nobody in that division is, not even close

Again, fuck off

 

Nah, instead of counting the millions I would make, I would come here to impress mikE- a degenerate who thinks sanctioning bodies are good for the sport, Roberto Duran was shit, and that Terry Norris is the 20th best p4p fighter of the last 70 years

 

KHAN is a moron. To come along and say he is a better fighter than Carl Froch, with Carl Froch having wins over the likes of Dirrell, Taylor, Paschal and Abraham, and who also cleaned out his own domestic scene with wins over Reid, Dodson and Magee......Amir is a total tool to be making those comments.

 

I see your mischaracterization of people's positions includes not only your own, but mine, as well. No surprise there.

[edit] I do think sanctioning bodies are a net good for the sport which is different than just saying 'good'. I don't think you'll find support for the other claims in my posts, but I'll help you out. Duran is overrated, imo. I mentioned Terry Norris in a p4p thread, but it wasn't going back 70 years.

 

When did khan say that?

What a stupid thing to say on his behalf.

 

[1] Like I said, call everyone shit and then when they lose you'll get to brag. It looks like you favor him over the other #1 candidate, Bradley, so just to cover your bases, you call the division extremely weak and go from there.

[2] I never said it did.

[3] bullshit.

[4] I don't remember if your comment was before my first post in that thread, but if it was, I specifically said I hadn't read the comments prior to my post.


[5] it had nothing to do with who you picked, it had to do with you being wrong about Khan being protected, about there being no reason for Khan to be considered good, and about you bragging constantly after the fight about doing something you didn't do. And that case was made.

[6] I'll be looking for it from now on because it's fun, but I don't care enough to try to go back and see if it's happened in the past with you.

[7] now you come clean

[8] See [1]. Care to enlighten us with a division you believe that isn't a shitty division right now?

 

go look up the thread, Sherlock

Best p4p fighters since 1940 was the topic

your number 20 was Terry Norris

Terry Norris isn't even top EIGHTY

the fact that you couldn't even come up with 20 guys better than Terry Norris speaks volumes about the ignorance you cart around like luggage

 

You have no case... none, not for any of it

All the divisions are pretty shitty right now by historic standards... this is a brand new problem that I've never encountered in my lifetime... there have always been weak eras for one or two divisions at a time... in the late 90s Middleweight, for example, was a wasteland... Welterweight was a treasure trove, one the other hand... in the early 90s, the heavyweaight division was pretty damn good, lots of intriguing fighters and matchups... right now? there's one intriguing match that can never happen, the rest is sleep-inducing... in the early 2000s, Featherweight was a great division, while by comparison, Light Heavyweight was lousy for the most part... cycles... even in a stacked decade, say the 1970s, you had sizzling divisions like Lightweight/Light Heavyweight/Bantamweight (early 70s)/Featherweight (mid 70s)/Heavyweight/Middleweight... yet you also had some lean years for Junior Welterweight (Antonio Cervantes was dealing with a mundane cast of contenders) , Welterweight (mid 70s, Cuevas and Palomino were facing for the most part pretty ordinary opposition) as well as a pretty lousy lightweight division at the conclusion of the decade... And that is in a decade that is probably as compelling and talent-stuffed as any in history (I'd rank it right there with the 1940s)

The best division in boxing right now? Assuming Mayweather is still even a shadow of himself against Ortiz, Welterweight by far, because the two best and most accomplished fighters in the world both fight there... but every division in the game right now is weak... you obviously have an unshakeable optimism about what you are seeing in front of you in the current game, but it doesn't make you correct. I've been following this sport since I was a kid and it has absolutely never been this lousy. Right now, there are only a handful of fights I have any real interest in, only a few matchups that make me say "yeah, that's going to be good, some serious quality in the ring" ... again, I can only reference that this is the only time in all the years watching that I have ever felt this way... anyone who thinks the quality of the game has not experienced a sharp decline is kidding themselves, or they don't know any better because they are 13 or so.

seriously, pick a really weak division from 1993 or so and line it up with it's counterpart now and you will see, at best, the current version MIGHT break even