Khan v. Malignaggi // Ortiz v. Campbell DISCUSSION **KEEP ALL SPOILERS IN HERE**

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Ungrateful bastard...

MTF :kick:

 

Khan shall whoop Maidana. Enough of this bullshit about him ducking him, he said on live tv he wants him next. Khan vs the winner of Alexander-Bradley will be huge.

 

Yeah I think Devon could prove to be the class of 140. I'd pick him over Bradley and Khan. Khan-Bradley is a close fight, but I'm thinking Timmy is good enough to get inside of Khan and do some damage. Timmy isnt a big puncher, but his sneak right hand is VERY quick, and if he catches Khan with it like he did Peterson, he can hurt Khan. However... its a fight I could see Khan winning considering Amir is a more talented techncian then Kendall Holt, and if he uses his jab Timmy will find himself outboxed at times.

BTW - on another note... last night I found myself totally unimpressed by Ortiz. I think he loses big to Maidana, Bradley, Alexander, and probably Khan. Victor lucked out that Nate is an old man who cant pull the trigger. But in the face of the handspeed that Bradley, Khan, and Alexander have, Ortiz will be getting hit with EVERYTHING.

 

I wouldnt count him out either, but I could see Khan lighting Ortiz up tbh. Ortiz's D really fuckin sucks. He's impossible to miss with right hands, and as fast as Khan's 1-2 is it'll land on Ortiz all night.

 

I thought it was a terrible fight.

Paulie had nothing to offer except a relative degree of mobility and an awful lot of balls.

Khan is one of the most amateurish fighters out there.

I mean, people complain about Wlad Klitschko......but Amir Khan has one small microscopic fraction of the poise of Wlad. Khan leaps in, slaps, and flurries like a fish on a river bank.

Putting it in perspective, Paulie showed more poise being beaten up than Khan did beating him up.

Also Khan seemed to get marked up a bit by Paulie. Not good.

 

Yeah I agree with that. It's just that Khan still gets hit far too much, still cannot fight a lick on the inside and appears to be at his best against guys who suffer from noticeable height, weight and reach disadvantages.

 

Khan's jab was impressive actually, he also looked less moronic/robotic/amateurish than usual. He's definitely improving with Roach, credit where it's due.

Bradley beats him, but I would say Khan Vs the other top 140 pounders are pretty much pick em fights. Paulie looked surprisingly good in the first few rounds, it was an even fight, then he just sort of wilted, Khan wasn't doing anything particularly different. Paulie seemed to slow down a lot, including his reactions.

 

Much as I hate Wladimira.... he is more talented then Khan. Both have shitty chins, but Wlad has a much better offensive skill set.

 

Khan beat up Ortiz as an amateur and will do the same again

 

I would like to find out what Khan weighed by fight-time. Probably around 153. He had noticeable size advantages.....he basically tired Paulie down.

 

Aye well when you're boxing somebody who literally hasn't been taught a fucking stop-shot you're pretty much gonna look like Larry Holmes.

It's like when you're doing light sparring with a guy who's just come through the door of the gym the first few weeks and doesn't know what they're doing yet. You stop him and say 'hey look mate, see if you palm that jab with your right *like so* you won't have such a sore face tomorrow morning. 'K?'. And the light bulb goes off and they pick it up pretty quick.

I half expected Khan to stop half way through out of mercy and show Pauli the fucking move. Never seen such an inept inadequacy from a pro fighter in 10 years of watching the sport. Talking about a guy here who was shipping about 95% of incoming jabs and he didn't even TRY to parry ONCE. These guys fucking suck. Survival of the fastest.:shit:

 

Yeah i'd guess a little more actually. He's a BIG Light-Welter.

 

Paulie has always relied on his legs and reflexes as his defense. But the problem is, he thinks he has the reflexes of Wilfred Benitez. Against a guy with faster hands then himself like Khan, he was bound to get hit alot. To Paulie's credit though, he does have a solid chin, which is something that often gets underrated about him. I also think he's slightly declined from what he was a few years back. Not that it really matters, Khan beats any version of him. But the Paulie of 3 years back woulda at least given Khan more movement.

 

Hot body, hot body. It's been a great little Fightbeat sprite,.. I chuckle everytime it's presented,.. there was one instance in particular,.. you were heavily involved in the mythical matchups forum,.. there were long posts, one after the other, Ugo wasn't involved in the thread at all to that point I don't think.. but to cap off one particular thread,.. he put in bold a snippet out of one of your posts and said..

"Never underestimate the importance of a hot body"..

:: :: ... the thread was also like 3/4's of the way down the index at the time I read it aswell,..so it was like the cymbal tap at the end of the orchestra. I still chuckle about that from time to time.

 

Yeah, I remember it well.:: Ugo has an enviable love for all things modern, fat heavyweights along with limited leaping athlete fighters & ear muffers; it's all part of boxing's bold marching evolution. Though I've kinda lost what the hell that particular comment has got to do with Khan::

 

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Ugo has this preconceived notion that all modern boxers are the beneficiaries of some sort of Arthur C. Clarke version of super-evolution.

Like Chris Arreola would have schooled Joe Louis because of modern supplements, the Juan Diaz pivot method, and multi-vitamins placed in Hot Pockets.

 

Man, Khan beat the dog shit out of that trashy Guido

Still, Id like to see him in with a puncher

 

Well,.. I'm not exactly.. a fighter of yesterday defeats everybody today 100 - zip with 100 ko's type of poster myself,.. I was just simply praising the injoke mini-battle of Hut and Ugo about hot bodies,.. it's a bloody good track,.. like Kenneth - Mex debates,.. it's another sweet tune.. :bears:

 

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Agreed, it's a fair point. Paulie slowed down fucking quick in that fight, and once his reflexes/head movement/upper body movement slowed, he was just a sitting target for the jab.

Against a fighter with better, more traditional defense, his jab probably wouldn't have looked so hot.

 

If my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle. End of the day you beat what's in front of you and his jab looked great.

 

No doubt, but there is also no doubt that Paulie's defense was a large component in making Khan's jab look better than it ever has before.

 

Has anyone noticed how Khan suddenly looks really different? Until recently he still pretty much looked like a 19 year old, and just from one fight to the next, he suddenly looks much older, more like mid twenties. His face looks significantly different.

By the way Slice, although his jab looked impressive, his hands looked as fast as ever, and he seemed to be thinking about what he was doing a bit more than usual in there, he still looked like a speedy 1 - 2 amateur fighter. Just a good one. He's a pretty basic fighter really, but the sheer speed and range of his punches, with decent accuracy, is obviously enough to beat a lot of fighters.

 

I don't disagree, however he did show glimpses of more versatility at times, there were a few nice left uppercuts from odd angles at various moments, he should have used them more, especially in the later rounds when he had Paulie beat. It was the perfect fight to work on these things. That said, he's only 23, still a work in progress.

 

Yeah, you can't teach a 23 year old to box, unfortunately. Especially one with a 63 IQ. And make no mistake, Khan can't actually box, he can just throw 1-2s and leap out the way really, REALLY quickly. All well and good against the Paulie 'No, honestly I actually DON'T know what a stop shot is' Mallinagi's of this world.:crafty::crafty:

 

Pleeease.

You don't push a seasoned Cuban superstar like Kindelan to the wire in your mid-teens without being able to box, no matter how athletically talented you are. Manny was widely considered a 1-2 fighter when Roach got hold of him and look how he developed. The same people who praised Hattons performance against Malignaggi are now trying to bring down Khan, despite doing a better job, against a Paulie coming off the best performances of his career.

 

I was thinking THE EXACT same thing.

Athletes do age faster.