Kirkland vs Molina: Predictions

I don't know what it is in Texas, but the phrase "cannot be saved by the bell in any round", is pretty standard.

 

I just hope they give Molina the rematch he deserves.

 

In that case, the ref would've been correct to keep counting, right?

 

Pretty sure the fight was ABC rules. So if I'm not mistaken, you cannot be saved by the bell in any round, including the 12th and final round, Jim.

 

Again, you faggot, think this through. If a referee sees something DQ worthy, but fails to act on it and lets the fight continue (which he is DOING BY CONTINUING THE FUCKING COUNT, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT) he CAN NOT go back and say "whoops! wait a minute, you're disqualified! Sorry about that, K?"

I don't care if the time elapsed is 10 seconds or 10 minutes

Again, use your tiny brain to grasp this concept: Molina's guy comes into the ring, the official shoos him away, completes the count, decides Molina is fine to continue and the fighters go back to their corners. The next round begins, the start to box, suddenly the official remembers (or is "told", which in and of itself is bullshit since the call is entirely at the ref's discretion) he should have DQd Molina for the cornerman jumping in... suddenly, he steps between the fighters and raises Kirkland's hand victorious... would you be okay with that, fag?

The official FUCKED UP. Had he immediately waived it off, I would have had no problem with that decision. It would have been a bummer of an ending, but it would be understandable as a strict enforcement of rules. But by continuing to count, he is CONTINUING THE FIGHT which means that a disqualification for something that happens beforehand is NOT POSSIBLE. I doubt any such "rule" was ever written because it doesn't NEED TO BE. It is self-explanatory to all people with brains who understand that a count takes place DURING a fight and that a DQ ENDS a fight.

You aren't "beating" anyone at anything.

 

You are retarded. Give me a rule and tell me how the ref acted illegally. Please shut me up. Show me the rule.I don't hate you cdoog. YOU are the dorky guy in high school who drove me around so I could hook up with chicks. At first I was using you, but now I have some attachment. I do not like slapping you around. This hurts me more than you. PLEASE just accept this tutorial as an olive branch. I don't like beating on you.

 

Why do you think there needs to be a rule that a referee can't DQ a fighter for an incident that had already taken place prior to another action by the referee which explicitly meant the fight was to continue, especially when the referee was aware of said incident and still continued the fight? That sounds like common sense to me.

 

Not you, too. Jeepers fuck. It was 5 seconds later. Maybe he wanted to see if the fighter could continue so that he would call it a tko instead of a dq. Maybe he wanted to verify that it was a disqualifiable offense first. Maybe another punch had never been thrown inbetween dipshit getting into the ring and his fighter getting dq'd.

It was a stupid fucking call, but trying to say that the ref was precluded from awarding Kirkland a dq because he finished the count is fucktarded and nonsensical. It's like some of you dipshits who say that a fighter who weighs 160.3 lbs is fighting at supermiddle.

 

Thank you for conceding there is no rule. Without violating a rule, you cannot say the ref acted inappropriately. He dq'd the guy essentially immediately after counting. In a perfect rule, he'd do it right away. He didn't. That doesn't mean it was wrong for him do it. By rule, he had the option of dq'ing Molina and he did. You guys have nothing. Do you like being repeatedly humiliated by me. You guys are arguing that YOUR FUCKING OPINIONS supersedes the rules that are in place. I challenge both of you pussies to print the section of the WBC RULES regarding a cornerman entering the ring. Without looking them up, I guarantee the rules give the ref the power to stop the fight at his own discretion. I further guarantee there is no "common sense" clause. Like I said, I am basing my opinion on my knowledge of contract law. I am also assuming you guys are idiots and therefore couldn't be right. Like I said, I triple dog dare you fucking idiots to produce a WBC rule that gives a time frame for disqualification. I dare you. Produce it. It shouldn't be hard.

 

Jesus Christ

I expect a retard like mikE to not understand this

But I am shocked Ike doesn't comprehend it, I thought better of you.

WHY would there be a rule? It's common sense. The ref rules that a DQ-able offense has taken place, it should stand to reason that no further regulation fight action can occur after the offense that the official has deemed DQ-able. Once the official has decided that the action is to continue (which he does IMPLICITLY by continuing the count) there can be no disqualification.

This isn't hockey, there are no delayed penalties because there is no puck to possess.

 

We'll see if common sense supersedes the rule. THE DECISION WILL STAND BECAUSE IT WAS LEGITIMATE.YOU LAST SENTENCE is just false. THAT IS YOUR OPINION. Try to learn the difference between facts and opinion. Last weekend's action contradicts that. the ref counted and then disqualified and it will stand because by rule it is his decision.

 

Is there a rule that the ref can't take off all his clothes and jerk off while taking a shit in the middle of the ring?

 

Ike, some of what you say makes sense, but unlike you I firmly believe if it was KIRKLAND'S corner that came to the ring, a DQ would have been nowhere in sight.

It's that simple for me. Should Molina's corner have come into the ring? No, that was stupid.

Should the count have stopped as soon as the round ended? Yes, which means Molina's corner SHOULD have been able to enter.

It's not really clear how wrong it was either way, but one thing that seems clear to me is it was a hometown call which wouldn't have happened if it was Kirkland in danger of getting DQ'd.

 

, exactly

 

So why weren't the rules of boxing enforced during the bout? All the holding did was fuck with Kirkland.

 

No, you cannot be saved by the bell.

:dunno:

 

The Ibeabuchi rule.

 

nO AND THE REF IS FREE DO THAT unless he is unable to do his job. I imagine the act of shitting would endanger the combatants because he would e squating. The fact you have to use such a ridiculous example, and a poor analogy, just proves how little you have. Again, look at the rules for the WBC and SHOW me I am wrong. i AM NOT DOING YOUR WORK FOR YOU, children. I dare you. Show me how the ref violated his duty.

 

What I am saying is correct. You at least understand that it is your "opinion" that had the tables been turned, the ref would not have done the same thing. I don't agree, but that is my opinion. I think Shorle, who is a decent ref, also a Californian ref, really had no horse in the race. Kirkland isn't exactly a star either. I don't see big money changing hands for essentially a retarded clubfighter. Just my opinion. The fact here is that the ref was allowed by RULE to disqualify either combatant for a cornerman entering the ring during the competition and while the round is officially on. The way to get out of this is the saved by the bell rule. If that was enforced, then I would argue the ref was incorrect. However, I am pretty sure there is no saved by the bell rule and therefore, the cornerman entered the ring while the round was still officially on-going. OBVIOUSLY, in the break period, it most likely will be clearly delineated, who can and cannot enter during the break. It is contract rule 101 and these estrogen laden dipshits ought to thank me for my free lessons.I enforce contracts every working day of my life. Especially, relatively simple ones like this.

 

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This is all very, very incorrect. I don't have the rules in front of me, but here is everything that went wrong with the end of the fight:

-The knockdown and the bell occurred simultaneously. People are trying to say the bell should not have rung but that's impossible.
- The ref at NO POINT picked up the count from the timekeeper. He instead jumped straight into the count beginning at one.
- At no point did the ref send EITHER FIGHTER to a neutral corner. Kirkland was in his own corner for the entire count and well afterward, as he had no clue the round ended.
- Since the bell rung, the count was supposed to stop the moment Molina was on his feet, which was instantaneously. The "cannot be saved by the bell rules" means a fighter has to beat the count. All he has to do, is stand up straight, which is what Molina did.
- Texas rules stipulate that the round ends when the bell rings. Factor all of that into the above - count ending when fighter rises, etc.

Everything about the way the fight ended was protest-worthy.

As to your suggestion that Schorle is a decent ref and had no horse in the race - quite the contrary. He has a rep as a Golden Boy homer. Between his being appointed for a fight in Texas (as he's Cali-based) and Gale Van Hoy as a judge, it's quite honestly shame on Molina's people for agreeing to either of them to be permitted to officiate. For a fighter who has led a hard-luck career, it's almost as if he and his handlers were begging to get robbed.

 

anyone who is from southern california and has been to boxing fights here knows that schorle is an incompetent cunt of a referee. then again free ike is an orange county faggot so that must be factored in.

 

Here comes Jake and his fancy facts.

 

So if he was a homer ref why didn't he put an end to all the holding? What are your thoughts on that?

 

See Neil's post about the whole incompetence deal.

 

Gotcha. Not saying the ref wasn't a homer - just fucking silly that if he really was, he had all he needed to go after legit point deductions and possibly a legit DQ.

 

Show me the rule, Jake. Prove I am incorrect. Thank you.I will, for the sake of the argument, say Shorle is the lawrence Cole of refing.He is the worst of all time. is he a fucking magician too? How did he make Molina's cornerman jump into the ring. Wow what an amazing conspiracy.It was the WBC rules in effect. Those were the rules for the fight.

 

Seriously you guys are all fucking retarded. Period. The reason Molina was dq'd was because his cornerman JUMPED INTO THE MOTHERFUCKING RING. Had he not done that, Molina would have won. Is Shrole a master magician. Perhaps, he paid the cornerman to jump in. 100% PERCENT OF THE BLAME, NOT 90% NOT 99.5% ALL OF IT IS ON MOLINA'S CORNER. Unless you guys believe Shorle can violate the laws of physics. Shorle went into the cornerman's body jumped in the ring and dq'd himself. Fucking idiots. aRE YOU GUYS FUCKING WITH ME. I mean, a wigger midget is calling me a faggot when he lives in north hollywood, .Sheep. HBO tells you Roy can speak English and you believe them. Jesus christ. Learn how to think. The "Shorle Conspiracy" is absurd.

 

lmao regardless of the bias vs schorle (justifiable), the fact remains molina's corner came in which makes it a DQ. alot of refs imo wouldve let it slide...but the rule is the rule.

 

It's that fucking simple. forget any thing i WROTE IN THIS THREAD. mOLINA'S corner jumped in and the ref didn't let it slide. I am tired of this shit. how stupid can people be. It is just that simple. These clowns now think SHORLE KILLED jFK AND Hoffa.