Kovalev fights on Saturday

Do you really need to bring that up all the time? Is that really the most ridiculous fight to get wrong? They are two glorified gatekeepers for crying out loud. I had never, and had no reason to ever see Soto-Karass fight and based on his terrible record assumed that he was simply cannon fodder for Berto to get back on track. I was not so much ardently suggesting Berto was much better than Karass rather than ardently against the idea that Berto's tough fight had somehow made him so washed up and terrible he wouldn't be able to beat a bum anymore. Typical FB exaggeration is when someone has a tough fight they are "never the same". Like Bradley even though he arguably had the best legitimate win of his career after the war with Prov.

That's a lot different then being completely off base on fighters that have been on national TV a myriad of times.

 

So Basically, by YOUR OWN Admission, You were TROLLING that Day...Got It...

You "Ardently" CRITICIZED the Opinions of Those who Predicted, WHEN THE FIGHT WAS SIGNED, that Soto-Karass was a VERY Tough Opponent for Berto, Coming Off 2 PHYSICAL Losses, in a Relatively Short Span...Literally, You were THE ONLY Fightbeater in the Round by Round Thread, that was MORE than Mildly Surprised Soto-Karass Won...Meanwhile, Most of Us Weren't Even the LEAST Bit Surprised....

& Now You Reveal You'd NEVER Even Seen Soto-Karass Fight???:laugh11:...WHOthefuck Argues Sooooo FERVENTLY AGAINST a Fighter they've NEVER Seen Fight, Except a TROLL???...Is that You, Kid Dynamite???...

Similarly, You POLLUTED Tonight's Kovalev Thread, w/DISMISSIVE Remarks to Those Speaking Highly of Kovalev, Which was Practically EVERY OTHER Poster, Aside from You...You were Being a Straight Up ASSHOLE in your Posts to Brother X, & Even Though he Can Fight his OWN Battles, REED was Compelled to REMIND YOU of Your Fightbeat Posting SHORTCOMINGS...

Point Being, You've Been DOWN this Road Before...& just as You Reminded X of an Opinion that DIDN'T Play Out, YOU'VE Posted Some that Can Be Thrown BACK in your Face as Well...





REEDopcorn:

 

Incorrect I was being dismissive towards Max Kellerman.

 

Re-REED your Posts from the Point REED asked if You "disaGREED" w/Kellerman Referring to Kovalev as "The BEST Lightheavyweight in the World"...

It's as if You CAN'T Resist Being an Asshole, TLC...




REED:elmo:

 

Night boy, I've got a good idea. A collective Fightbeat bet.

Seeing as you're so confident Kovvles is a hypejob and that goofy mook Stevenson beats him, you're surely prepared to bet your posting rights on the fight if Stevenson grows a pair and fights him.

If Kovalev wins, you stop posting on Fightbeat for n months, where n = the number of people picking Kovalev. If Stevenson wins (which you must be 99% sure of) you get the signature of everyone picking Kovalev for a month.

 

Dude, it seems you haven't seen Ward fight often.

 

Andre Ward is an excellent fighter. Boring as Hell, but effective, and a very high boxing IQ. But if there's any fighter in the world that has the style to beat him, its Kov. Another reason I don't think GGG can beat Ward is because he's a bit too methodical. Picks his shots a bit toooo carefully. Kov doesn't give a fuck. He just let's his hands go.

 

I thought this was a solid performance from Kovalev. I'd still pick him over Stevenson but so far I'd make Ward the favorite over him

I get SilentNights point about Koalev still being untested and the fact that he is not fast nor seems particularly great technician could mean that his skills and defense lets him down when he fights the very best. However, there is no denying that his power seems astonishing so far and beating guys like Cleverly (ranked #8 by The Ring, was higher before their fight) and Cornelius White suggests that he is more than a hype job

 

I agree Kovalev has a better chance of beating Ward, but that is mainly because of size. Golovkin is methodical, but he is also one of the most accurate punchers of the game, in the class of Floyd and Rigo. Accuracy and timing is usually the way to compensate the difference in speed and physical talent. I just think GGG might be bit too small to beat Ward, his punches might not have the same effect and the reach difference would be difficult to overcome. Kovalev has the size and he has his hammers, but there Ward's technical skill might prevail

 

At this point, saying that either Kovalev or Stevenson is clearly better is strictly founded on nothing. They both seem to be pretty much at the same level, and they accomplishment are pretty similar (with a slight edge to Stevenson). That's why Kellerman claim was indeed ridiculous, especially since he only said it cause Stevenson fights on Showtime now.


As for ward, I think Stevenson has a much better chance against him than Kovalev, cause he has the speed ,power and unorthodoxy to catch him. Tough, i think both are underdogs.

 

My thoughts exactly... He does his most effective work at close range

 

The worst is that he was trying to ridicule Xplosive but the opposite happened. Personnally, I'd give Ward a pretty good chance to make Kovalev look silly at close range using his despicable but effective tactics. I can't stand Ward, I hate his style, but he's damn hard to beat. I wonder how much power Kovalev would lose being unable to get the full extension on his punches, I also wonder how Ward would deal with Kovalev's strenght at close range, not sure he could use his "hold and turn" as efficiently as usual. On top of that, I don't think Ward ever faced someone that can punch as hard as Kovalev. He's more skilled and more seasoned but Kovalev brings a lot to the table that he has never seen. I bet he's not much in a hurry to fight Kovalev right now. Very interesting fight.

 

You guys are missing two very important points though, Kovalev's shaky mental game, and his dubious cranial density.

 

I don't see how Stevenson has really done anything more impressive than Kov, and I don't see how he's more proven. He KO'd a damaged goods version of Dawson early in round 1. That didn't tell us toooooo much, besides the fact that A. Dawson never recovered from the Ward loss and 2. Stevenson can punch, which we already knew. Other than that, what has he done? Beat up Cloud? Not very impressive, considering Kov blasted the man who beat Cloud and got blatantly robbed (Campillo). And Stevenson beat up that bum Tony Bellew, who had already lost to Nathan Cleverly, whom Kov destroyed.

As for Stevenson having a better chance at beating Ward. I don't see it. I mean, given Stevenson's power in his left hand, he'd have a puncher's chance, but not a very good one. Ward would thrash Stevenson.

 

As I said, theyr is not much to distinguish between the two of them, but beating Dawson, whatever excuse he might have, is still a better win than anything Kovalev has done. Bellew and Cleverly are pretty much at the same level (theyr fight could have gone either way), and both Kovalev and Stevenson blasted them easilly and impressively. Same for Cloud and Campillo, who are pretty much at the same level. As I said, Kovalev still has some work to do before he deseves the place on the pedestal so many of you have put him on. Beating Cleverly, no matter how impressive it was, doesn't warrant the praises you, and many others, are giving him. I'm also excited by his potential, as he looks beastly, but he's still hasn't proven that he's a sure shot to beat Stevenson, or even Pascal, as you claim.
I agree that Ward would beat stevenson, but I think he also beats Kovalev.

 

kovalev would put a serious beatdown on pascal

 

He might, but so far, Pascal the more proven fighter. Let's not praise kovalev for things he might do.

 

all that pascal has proven is that he is not the goods. he has no boxing IQ

 

Pascal fuckin sucks.

 

Pascal is nothing special, but he's a pretty good fighter, and he would be the best fighter Kovalev has fought by quite a margin. Dismissing his chances and the fight is some fan boy shit.

 

No Doubt...

If Bernard Hopkins Could Make Pascal GUNSHY, Imagine What Kovalev Would Do???...The 1st Time Kovalev Drills Pascal Flush, he Drops him OR Makes Pascal Soooooooooooo HESITANT, he Runs for the Next 4-5 Rounds, Before Being Stopped in 6...Pascal is Already a SKITTISH Fighter by Nature, but He'll Be Absolutely PETRIFIED of Kovalev...




REED:hammert:

 

I think Pascal is decent enough. He's fairly effective in his own scrubby way.

But there's nothing fanboy about dismissing his chances against Kovalev. Kovalev would batter him.

 

This.

Kov would hit that Haitian so hard, Dominicans would feel it too.

 

Pascal is Very ATHLETIC, but he has NO Idea of How to APPLY it...

He Leaps In w/HALF HEARTED Punches or Runs, Basically...Kovalev will Apply CONSTANT Mental & Physical Duress Upon Pascal & KILL his Confidence Bit by Bit, Each Time he Lands...Pascal's a JITTERY, NERVOUS Type of Fighter...Facing THE Hardest Puncher he's Ever Shared a Ring w/will Be a NERVE RACKING Experience for Him...





REED:hammert:

 

pascal would be pimped out in a periwinkle poncho peddling pumpernickel paninis outside port au prince parliament by palm sunday

 

I dont think the Hopkin fight as any relevance to this matchup, since Hopkins won primarly by mindfucking him, which is not something kovalev would do. Pascal is pretty durable and dont mind letting his hands go even against hard puncher, as was shown in his two fights with Diacon. I also would expect kovalev to beat pascal rather convincingly, but acting like this fight isn't interesting or that Kovalev is above fighting Pascal is ridiculous to say the least, since it would be by far his best victory.

 

Who's Saying Kovalev is "Above" Facing Pascal???...REED HOPES the Fight Happens & If/When it Does, Kovalev will Wipe his Ass w/Pascal...





REED:hammert:

 

speaking of kovalev, is theyr a site where you can watch old fights, since i missed the one from last night ?

 

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