Kovalev vs. Pascal thread...

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what should GGG do....offer Cotto all the purse...Cotto still would not take the fight.

 

There was Literally NATHAN Gleaned about Calzaghe, When he Beat a 2wice KO'ed Roy Jones...





REED:mj:

 

Where's the proof of that.
Not saying that Cotto is interested in fighting GGG, but GGG himself doesn't seems to interested in fighting him. He seems happy in fighting mid level guys ang getting hype and good $$$$ from HBO for doing not much

 

Cotto's a TRUE Draw, Dude...Cotto Could Fight YOU or REED During the Rican Parade Weekend & MSG Would SELLthefuckOUT...GGG Would Most Certainly HAVE to Accept the ASS End of that Purse...





REED:mj:

 

Jones could be dying of stage 4 cancer and still beat Lacy.

He was too far gone to beat a quality fighter like Calz.

Even Joe knows he'd have lost to a younger Jones. I think Calz believes he could have always beaten Hop, but is less confident he would have always beaten Jones.

And pleeeeaaassee reference for me where I said Kov would hit Joe for fun.

I think he would break him down over the course of the fight.

Kov is so powerful that even punches that guys block from him go through the gloves and take a toll.

Was Joe EASY to hit? No. But he's not to be confused with Floyd, Whitaker, or Locchee either.

Joe took shots. Against guys far less powerful, and SKILLED than Kov.

Kessler had his moments where he was able to time Joe and buzz him a few times. And much as I always a Kessler fan, the Dane was nowhere near Kov in terms of power, strength, or even toughness for that matter.

 

GGG is between a rock and a hard place. He's a prototypical "Middleweight", like Hagler. He fits perfectly in that weight class and is kind of stuck in it. He's not really built to go up OR down. Even if Cotto agreed to fight him, he'd get no credit for beating him, any more then Hagler got any credit for beating Duran. In fact it was considered a disappointment for Hagler at the time.

Middleweight division seems to go through these periods all the time. One dominant guy at the top and a bunch of other guys who either don't want to fight him, or aren't really worth a shit.

 

Kovalev just Fought Jean Pascal in Pascal's Backyard...GGG's about to Face the Dangerous Possessor of 6 KO's in 19 Wins, Willie Monroe...


There's NOfuckingCOMPARISON Here, Fellas...NONE...





REEDhno:

 

When Kovalev retires, probably having been beaten a few times, the next champ will be described as this that and the other, capable of beating Kovalev easily.


Thats usually how boxing goes...........the new champ shits all over the old, or the old champ shits all over the new.....no room for the middle ground.

 

Kov is so good that I would go as far as to say that in the last 35 years, I would give him a good chance of beating any light heavy with the exception of Spinks, Qawi, and Jones.

Add Eddie Mustafa to that list, if Eddie was at his very best.

 

Enjoyable fight. It probably should have been stopped before Kovalev got the two free shots at the end.

Kovalev rules.

 

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People say this about Calzaghe cause he's clearly not a real special fighter. He's probably not even as good as Hatton, but Hatton had the balls to fight the best of the worlds, while calz was struggling against the David Starie, Kabary Salem and Robib Reid of this world.
His claim to fame is a controversial decision against a 40 years old Hopkins and beating a good but not great Kessler in a close one. He was good, but their is nothing in his career that shows he could hang, and even less beat, a monster like Kovy (Not to mention that Kovy has grapefruit sized balls, while Calz are dried raisins sized)

 

Crapzaghe fans get sensitive when you claim ANY fighter could have beaten him.

They're acting like I said Librado Andrade would have beaten him.

Kov is a special fighter.

There's some guys that go too far and say that Froch would have beaten Joe. That, I don't agree with. I think Joe would have slapped Froch silly for 12 rounds.

But Kov is a different story.

 

I think it's silly to think that Calz is a sure shot to beat Frich, this would have been a real close one imo. Calz would really struggle to get pas this jab

 

Choof.

 

Froch is too slow to beat Joe. I don't think it'd be a white wash. Froch would win a few rounds and get in some decent licks. Probably buzz Joe a few times. But in the end, Joe would be too quick and active for him. Plus, I think Calz was physically stronger than Froch and could push him back.

 

agREED ... They kept showing that poor thing weeping, scared for her daddy... Terrible shit

 

That's not what I said. What I said is that the Froch fight demonstrated that Pascal was a durable guy. I didn't think for a second he would win, I simply said that I'd be impressed if he just walked right through him. I was impressed. As REED said, Pascal tried fucking hard but he was completely outgunned.

MTF

 

Was a good stoppage. Didn't think it was first time I saw it but looking at it again, Pascal did indeed chicken dance his way to the corner when Kov slipped. He was completely fucked and a few well placed punches away from being hospitalised.

Kov is obviously a very good fighter and has very legit, almost effortless power but a few are going overboard now. His best wins are the guy who lost to fat bellend, a 50 year old man and a bloke who lost six years ago to a bloke people round here call a 'fighting farmer'. Now apparently he's going to wipe Calzaghe out? I'm not convinced he'd land much in that one - Joe would get on his bike and slap shit out of him IMO.

MTF

 

I give Joe a chance. But I'm not so convinced he'd "get on his bike." Joe liked to stand in there and fight.

 

He always fought to his opponent. When faced with punchers he usually got on his bike. He wouldn't trade with this guy, not in a million years. That would be a suicide. Joe was properly ring smart - he'd know his best chance would be to try and slap-avalanche his way to a decision.

MTF

 

Zaghe would give Kovalev the slap avalanche bemusement treatment

 

Kov missed a lot of shots in last nights fight, and Joe could throw all night and was almost certainly more elusive than Pascal.The outcome is not clear. People forget Joe had a bit of his own power too. People forget that after he dealt with Hopkins, Hopkins took Pavlik apart.

 

Calzaghe only fought 2 times at 175 against Roy and Hopkins and got dropped on his ass. That's not exactly the type of stuff that would have me picking Calzaghe over Kovalev with any confidence. Truth is for a guy with 46 wins his resume is shit even at 168 so he will always be questioned.

 

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It was a good fight, surprisingly enjoyable. Pascal recovered well and managed to win 2 rounds.

Not sure about the stoppage. On one hand Pascal proved he could come back from being borderline KO'd, but on the other hand he was very wobbly, standing there almost defenseless, taking big right hands.

Probably shouldn't have let him take a few more for good measure, just to make sure.

 

Let's be real here, Calzaghe would beat Frock very comfortably, and Kovalev would smash any 168 pounder not named Jones.

 

He wouldn't smash Toney. In Toney we're talking about one of the best chins of all time.

However, Kov would pose a lot of problems for Toney, because he's not just a low IQ face first slugger like Barkley, and Charles Williams.

I also wonder if Kov's power wouldn't put Toney into a bit of a shell and make him weary of opening up as much.

We never really saw a great version of Toney at 175 like he we did at 168. So the version of Toney we did see at 175 I think loses to Kov by decision.

Then you got the Brits in Eubank, Benn, and Collins. Kov would have beaten all three of them. Just too big and physically powerful for those three.

 

Toney got buzzed by Dave Tiberi FFS.

Tiberi was like 115-93-12 with 3 KO's and 2 of them were on cuts after 46 and 39 rounds of action respectively.

 

Kovalev could and probably would hurt Toney. But he wouldn't stop him.

HOWEVER, if we're talking about a prime Toney let's be honest, he poses Kov more problems than anyone else he's faced to date.

I don't think I need to explain the difference in class between Toney and Pascal.

 

Not many people did. IN fact..was he ever stopped....:dunno:

 

Nope. I don't think too many guys in the history of 160-175 stop Toney.

If ANYBODY were to, it'd be Bob Foster. Foster wouldn't respect Toney's power, and he had frightening power.

I don't think there's any lightheavy that ever lived that survives the left hooks that KO'd Tiger and Quarry. So if Toney gets caught with that left hook, yeah, he goes.