Let's call it: Floyd upped Manny big time.

I disagree that Floyd one upped Manny. People giving Floyd all this credit for fighting Shane are missing the fact that Floyd was painted into a corner by Pacquiao taking on Clottey. There were rumors put out (probably to test fan reaction) that Floyd would be fighting the likes of M.Hatton, or Malignaggi, or some other no hoper and the criticism from those rumors forced Floyd to finally take on a real opponent in Mosley.

Also, Manny's fight isn't just a boxing match, but an event. One being held in one of the most state of the art facilities around which will allow a much larger gate and more mainstream hype. I heard Clottey agreed to a mere 1 million dollar purse for this fight so I can't imagine Floyd is going to really kick Manny's butt in the financial area either. Even if he does, Manny's going to be the one to get more publicity out of his fight than Floyd will.

The only spot for sure Floyd one up's Manny is in the quality of opposition as Mosley has the better resume' and career than Clottey does, but may actually be the less dangerous opponent due to their age differences.

 

Another point I'd like to make is I hate how people have to jump on either Floyd's wagon or Manny's and make threads like these where you pit them against one another. I'm just happy both guys have 2 very good fights I want to see and I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to get into who does the better numbers or who deserves the bigger purse if they meet up. That's theirs and their promoters concern.

 

Well you just did in your above post, cheering the fact that Clottey has been tossed a low-ball, and Pedquiao will recieve more money.

 

Yes, I'm sure Shane is shaking in his boots at the thought of Pussy Boy Mayweather.:: The little punk who talks sh*t behind the booth but can't say sh*t face to face.

 

and this my friends...is the bottom line

 

Yeah, he managed to dupe the fans into believing his hype. The first one thanks in large part to Oscar and HBO for marketing that crap to the moon, the second with the hype of Hatton who was more bark than bite and had already been exposed by Collazo in his last venture outside 140, then that farce with Marquez who went up 2 weight classes to meet a guy who didn't even make the contracted weight.
Yeah, what great quality events! Even still, the sob hasn't fought a legit welterweight in their prime.::
And everybody he's beaten...Pacman DESTROYED...in far easier fashion.

 

True.
This is a petty, infantile thread.
Let's not kid ourselves. PBF's opponent was essentially chosen for him. Circumstances pretty much backed him into a corner.

As a boxing fan, I don't really judge a fighter on PPV. That's only the bottom line if you're their accountant. I just want to see the best fight the best. PPV isn't much of a criteria for me as a boxing fan to decide how much I admire a fighter.

I would have loved it if they had fought each other.
However they both have good fights coming up.
Let's hope that they both continue in that vein.

 

Actually that wasn't my point at all. But since you've swung up to being a Floyd groupie on one hand and a Floyd hater on the other, you want to try to paint me as a Pacquiao fan simply because I don't find it a FACT that Pac is on PEDs. And the fact that Floyd groupies can't stand to be argued with based on reason and fact so they have to try to paint anyone who disagrees with them as a Pac fan. Anyway, I can understand your confusion, that must be a pretty hard balancing act you've managed to pull off.

For the record, I have no clue if Pac is getting more money than Floyd or not. My point was the money that each will likely receive will probably be about the same.

 

youre a naive fella if you believe that horseshit.

 

Lib four Lib,.. I was never a 'BLIND' hater of Fraud,..I mean, that doesn't quite make sense to me, hating a fighter for no reason???... I can understand there are some racists who wont admit that they hate particular fighters due to thier nationality or skin colour, but that was never the hidden case with me I'm afraid, there was always, always a reason for the hate, because fundamentally he exploited and capitalised on the apathetic mainstream. I also still remain firm, that Fraud's defence is illegal defined by the constitution of boxing rules. Since 2002, virtually everything he's ever done has been detrimental to the hardcore fans of this sport, but as of late, introducing a strong random bloodtesting clause, being the only fighter on the negotiation table who can afford to EXPOSE Pacquiao as a filthy little 'smiling, humble' cheat, and now taking on Mosely and still maintaining the random advanced testing clause, it's put him on a temporary hot-streak. This is all fundamentally ethical for the structure of boxing, and it's a right of protection any clean fighter should be entitled to have.

You were wrong, when you claimed I was just a 'blind hater' you didn't understand me then,.. and it looks like you're not able to understand me now.:nono:

 

Do you really think that PED's can be detected by the simple tests that the athletic commission does? Honestly? Don't you think that those tests are a little bit outdated and that's why in the olympics they test in a more rigid way?

 

What's their to understand? For a time when Floyd was brought up, no matter what the subject was you went into your trollish tirad about his illegal defense, and his horrid style. But why oh why would I think you hated him? Now we have a similar thing happening with Manny. Whenever he's brought up you go out of your way to once again make sure we understand that Manny is 100% definitely on PEDs.

You're a good poster and I've always liked you but this repetitive thing you do is really annoying.

 

I am? Then please let me know what each fighter stands to make in their next fight. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

I get repetitive because I guess I struggle to realise the fact that people are perfectly content to allow corruption in all it's forms to just slip on by, and that means the vulnerable are ripe for the picking, and I never like to see a sampled reflection of the oblivious, it's worse when the 'slaughtering stock' cheer and celebrate thier own degeneration, it's an insulting sight that acts like post traumatic stress disorder with me, and thus I illustrate the same flashback, sometimes even I dont realise how truelly repetitive it is, and I do apologise if it seems somewhat trollish.

But as you have put it above, his defense is illegal,.. from the backtwisting, ducking below belt level, excessive running, palming, pushing and elbowing,..that's the reason why I hate his style, he RELIES on the lack of rules enforcement to help with his success, it's another form of exploitation,..add to that his history of cautious opponent selection, and his revolting narccistic personality and you've got plenty of reasons to hate him, none of it was ever 'blind hate' :nono:.

 

Nobody upped anybody. All that happened is that the biggest fight of the last God knows how many years didn't happen through the fault of both fighters, and instead we have two good but significantly lesser fights.

Don't get me wrong, I'll watch both fights and in fact I'm looking forward to both, but neither is a satisfactory substitute for what has been lost.

MTF :crying:

 

Floyd had no choice but to fight Mosley.If he had it his way,he wouldn't be in breathing distance of Mosley.

 

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@ the End of the Day, Cowboy's Stadium is just a VENUE, Dude...& Thus Far, they're Scaling it DOWN to 45,000 for the fight...Add in THE FACT that it's Joshua Clottey, a Guy that WILL NOT Register @ All w/ANY Mainstream Fans, & there's NOfuckingWAY this Fight is Gonna B an "Event"...To the People of Dallas/Ft. Worth, SURE...But NOT to the Boxing World OR Mainstream Fans...

CLEARLY, Floyd-Sugar Shane is the BIGGER Event & the Live Gate/PPV Sales will Prove it...



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Uuuuh, U JUST Did that in your Preceding Post...



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Yep...

 

Huh? Arum said from day 1 that PBF should fight Mosley, not Pacquiao. Looks like Arum got what he wants. Am I wrong?

Arum's goal almost always is to promote both guys in a fight.

 

LOL at the people bringing up prime Oscar in this discussion. Prime Oscar didn't destroy Whitaker or Mosley (twice) and PBF is at least as good defensively as both of them.

 

Shane has never been a defensive fighter or a "boxer" so to speak.

Shane is not much less aggressive than Pacquiao, he comes forward most of the time. Even if Pacquiao is busier, they'll be less openings, because quite simply, Pacman has more lateral movement, more head movement, and attacks from angles.

Today's Pacman is harder to hit than Mosley, no doubt about it.

 

Floyd looked like sh*t against a shot Oscar, Joe. Don't try to hide it. I read all the opinions of people on here the day after the fight. NOBODY was at all impressed with Floyd that night. Oscar looked as bad as he could possibly look and still got 5 rounds off Floyd WITHOUT even throwing a f*cking jab! :laughing: And Floyd's old man had Oscar winning that fight.
Simply put, Oscar in his prime would murder Floyd. There's a reason why Floyd fights old guys or little guys at catch weights. He already got handled by Castillo. The guy is a f*cking farce. The most overrated boxer ever!

 

That is true, but here is the thing, Prime Oscar would never have struggled with Floyd like he did with Whittaker.

 

Prime Oscar would've murdered Floyd. It wouldn't even be competitive. Floyd is a midget bitch! Not even in Oscar's league. Oscar, while fat and out of shape and basically a part-timer decides to do a little training and goes in and makes Floyd look like a pile of crap. LOL!

 

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Could we agree that perhaps it has something to do with the extra weight PBF had to fight at. I mean PBF had never ever fought at that weight. I mean PBF gets hated on and over the Hatton fight due to Hatton fighting at 147 but yet PBF gets hated on for fighting against a bigger stronger guy at 154. I'll Holla 5000

 

You're misunderstanding. Floyd isn't getting hated on for fighting Oscar, he's getting hated on for Oscar being the only legit fighter he's fought at 147 or above, the weight class he's been at for FIVE fucking years.

Mosley is going to be the second legit fighter Floyd has fought since moving to 147.

People are merely stating Floyd was utterly unimpressive against Oscar, which is true, they are not hating on him for fighting Oscar.

 

Really? So Judah wasn't legit at 147? Wasn't he the recognized champion at one time while at 147. Then when Baldy beat Judah wasn't he the recognized champion at 147? Now we all know that Baldy wasn't shit but he was still the man that beat the man right?

Who has Manny beat at 147? I'll Holla 5000