Let's call it: Floyd upped Manny big time.

Manny's win over Cotto shits on any win Floyd has had in the last five years.

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I have been trying to make that point for some time. Catchweight horseshit- and Floyd is at it too, dont forget.

 

Cotto. And don't give me the 145 bullshit, yes the fight should have been at 147, but it's only 2 pounds, and it's not like he was drained in the slightest, nor did he suggest as much.

Judah? Please. You think Judah is a legit welterweight? For starters he's smaller than Floyd, he's best suited to 140, and second, he's crap, naturally talented but crap, he lost to Baldomir in the previous fight for fuck's sake ::

 

Yes it does, and it's not even arguable.

I think the only "person" on this board that would even try to argue otherwise is cheap-suit-Staff.

 

What fight are you referring too? PBF has only been in 1 alleged catchweight fight. And when I listened to the phone/media conversation when the weight thing was brought up PBF specifically stated that he fights at welterweight and the fight will at welterweight. That's what he stated. Now what the contract stated or didn't state is up for debate. But PBF stated that he was going to be fighting at welterweight during the Marquez fight. I'll Holla 5000

 

Floyd-Marquez was catchweight.

Floyd agreed 147 vs 147, then basically came in at an undisclosed weight.

Thats catchweight, as in "I weigh what the fuck I like, here is $600,000, catch you later"

 

The question I asked is what fight has Manny fought at 147? Either he fought at that weight or not. So with his fight with Cotto being at 145 then the only fight he's had at 147 was against a severe weight drained DLH. Not to mention we truly don't know if losing the extra 2 pounds hurt Cotto or not. Just like we don't know if taking blood from Manny really weakens him or not.

As far as Judah is concerned. Regardless of how much of a mental midget he is has nothing to do with him not being the champion at 147. The fight took place at 147. As a matter of fact Judah had 6 fights at that weight prior to fighting PBF. He was there a full 2 years prior to PBF taking the fight. So obviously his body was more acclimated at 147 then PBF's would you not agree. I'll Holla 5000

 

All I know is that PBF said from the very beginning that he was going to be fighting at 147. Marquez and his people knew this and so did everyone that was on the phone conference. I'll Holla 5000

 

By your logic, the only win Floyd has at welterweight is Baldomir. Hatton weighed 145, Judah weighed 145.5, Mitchell weighed 145, and Marquez weighed 145.

Quite the resumé Floyd has at 147 right bigdawg? Baldomir, that's it, just Baldomir ::::

 

I'm talking about the contracted weight MWS! Just because they didn't weigh 147 during the weigh in does not mean that the fight took place at that weight. Hell PBF weighed in at 150 against DLH but the fight was held at JR Middleweight. Now the Cotto/Manny fight was specifically held at 145 weight limit and not the 147lb weight limit. So the only win that Manny technically has at 147 is a severely weight drained DLH. Am I correct? I'll Holla 5000

 

Doesn't matter what the contracted weight is bigdawg.

The contracted weight for Floyd - Hatton was 147, the contracted weight for Manny - Cotto was 145.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that Hatton was therefore more of a welterweight in those respective fights?

Don't be absurd, you don't even believe what you're typing.

What matters is what they weigh, and as it stands, the only fighter Floyd has fought at welterweight that actually weighed in at welterweight was Baldomir ::

 

OK so if that's the case and we are going by your logic and Baldy was PBF's only career win at 147 atleast he beat the man that was the man that beat the man at 147. Correct? I mean Shane was the man that lost to Forrest (RIP), Forrest lost to Mayorga, Spinks beat Mayorga, Judah beat Spinks, Baldy beat Judah. So therefore he beat the man that beat the man that beat the man. Cotto was not the man at 147 due to him getting hammered by Margacheato. Correct? Now who was the fighters that Manny beat at 147? I'll Holla 5000

 

Is Cotto better than Baldomir? Yes or no?

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At 145 I don't know. At 147 yeah. But that's not my point. I'll Holla 5000

 

That's not my logic at all, who said anything about the lineal champ being what it's all about? Not me.

Cotto is much, much better than Baldomir, end of story.

In fact, Manny's win over Cotto is better than any win in Floyd's whole career.

 

You don't know if Cotto was better than Baldy at 145? Really?

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A catchweight is not just a catchweight because the other guy weighs the same. 145 is still a catchweight. And it is still a catchweight if you pay money to come in at a different weight to that originally agreed.

 

Correct.

Bigdawg don't waste your time arguing anything Floyd related with MWS. Regs of what people want to think of Baldomir...fact is he was the undisputed/linear/true Welterweight champion at the time when Floyd fought him.

All you can ask a guy to do when he moves up to a new division is to fight the champion, and that's what Floyd had done.

Should we denigrate Holyfield for having won the title from Buster Douglas?

also Floyd's win over Zab Judah is often glossed over..but it was a good win as Zab with his speed, power and southpaw style (stopped Spinks who even Jermaine Taylor couldn't do) was always dangerous.

Floyd's win over an undefeated Hatton, who had previously stopped Tszyu and Castillo is also important.

 

So just for the record Sly, can we assume that you hold Floyd's win over Baldomir in higher esteem than Manny's win over Cotto?

 

Floyd/Mosley is a bigger fight than Pacquiao/Clottey. But I woulndn't say Floyd upped Manny big time.

If anything it looks like Floyd was forced into the Mosley fight. After giving different reasons why he wouldn't fight Shane to begin with.

Floyd is doing what people wanted him to do the last few years so it's not like he is really stepping out there and risking himself to fight Shane.

The thing is Floyd lowered the bar with his recent competition that this looks like some great step up in competition.

While Clottey is not on the level as Mosley as an oponent, Pacquiao has been fighting and beating the best competition available. Clottey is just another one on the list with lesser fame.

Either way both fights are good but Mayweather/Mosley will out sell the other one.

 

Manny fights Diaz, a weight drained DLH, Hatton (Both coming from defeats from Floyd) and Cotto and he's God. Floyd fights Baldomir, DLH at 154, Hatton undefeated, JMM and Mosley and he gets shit. The double standards here are something, I tell you. ::

 

Yes, Mayweather's choice of Mosley in his next fight is better than Pacquiao's choice in Clottey.

Pacquiao "upped" Mayweather in the last two years, so Floyd's got some catching up to do.

 

And yet your ass picked Oscar to rape Manny brutally! Who are you to talk, V10? :atu:
Floyd beat 2 little guys who came up in weight to meet him. Hatton is not a 147lb fighter and got his ass whupped by Collazo at that weight, and JMM came up 2 weight classes to fight Floyd who came in over the limit.
You got no case here. Floyd's an opportunist and there's a reason why Larry Merchant and Brian Kenny laugh at his bullsh*t P4P ranking. The motherf*cker still hasn't fought a "legit, in their prime, at their proper weight" opponent.
He's just taken the mickey out of corruption in boxing where boxers just make up bullsh*t catch weights and don't even fight the real fighters in their weight class.

 

Floyd's gonna die!

 

Somebody made a thread, I posted my opinion in it doesn't mean I like it.

The only edges I see in this matchup is that Manny has the better venue and Floyd has the better name opponent. If Floyd did one up Manny I don't think it's by much.

 

Of course fucking not. Holyfield went on to fight Tyson, Bowe (3x's), Lennox Lewis all guys bigger and stronger than him. He fought the best of his era because he wanted to prove he was the best. For you to compare Floyd to that is laughable.

Do any of you Floyd fans seriously feel Floyd wants to prove he's the best? Or do you feel as I do that he just wants the easiest fights for the most money? I got no problem with Floyd doing the latter. My problem is him trying to blow smoke up my ass. If he just went about his business of fighting safe fights and kept his mouth shut I wouldn't care as much. But shouting how he's the best, at 147 & p4p while dissing all time greats isn't going to happen without him getting criticized. Not on my message board.

 

Castillo, Corrales and De La Hoya were bigger and stronger than Floyd at the time when Floyd fought them. People may NOW want to act like Hatton was a "soft touch" ...but the fact remains that when Floyd was still a lightweight/Superfeatherweight..Hatton was a career Jnr Welterweight weighing as much as 170lbs between fights (therefore arguably a bigger man than Floyd). The dude was UNDEFEATED and had stopped Kostya Tszyu.

The only "unworthy" opponent that floyd has faced was Marquez...and that was because he needed a tune up after being inactive for so long and besides...Marquez had recently stopped Diaz, Casamayor and was universally recognized as one of the top 3 guys P4P.

People don't "cuss" Hagler for fighting the smaller, Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Mugabi...don't "diss" Leonard for fighting the smaller Duran...so why hate on Floyd for Dominating the GREAT Juan Manuel Marquez?

Be consistent haters! That's all The Sly One is asking.......