Man Kills Friend over Tyson/Klitschko Debate

That would be extremely diffcult don't you think?

 

Yeah. I was just using hyperbole any how.

 

That's the first thing that came to mind. It's not a shock. I've met a few Russians in Japan and the UK. Every Russian male I have ever met seems like they are one bad afternoon away from being a serial killer.

 

:laughing:

 

Its a stereotype but it is remotely accurate. Russians drink and are very very emotional people. Throw in proficiency with hunting weapons and a ready supply of stuff that would make Kentucky moonshine look like water, and you got yourself a right regular mess.

 

Speaking of the Wlad - Haye fight.

I thought we were told that Haye was being forced to defend his title and couldn't fight on July 2?... :huh: ..how did he miraculously wriggle out of this?... or... was all the 'Wlad has ducked Haye!!!' hysteria that was pumped out by the media during that time based on a lie?

How easy it is to mould the mines of the common moron, Rupert Murdoch knows this better than anybody, it is and always will be the ultimate tool of the right-wing.

 

I think it was based on a lie.

 

:bears: Good work lefty,.. John Pilger would be just as proud,.. :crafty:

 

Pilger needs Purging.

 

word. I've drawn my blade already

 

fixed

 

Yeah, like so many things in boxing today. Fixed.

 

Though relatively-mediocre by comparison to the young Tyson as fighters, the Klitschkos have walked the path of exemplary behaviour & conduct, a rare credit to the sport.

Tyson was just another disgusting black eye for Boxing outside the ropes. I will give him that he provided the sport with a substantial & on-going jab to the arm in terms of popularity, but he more than cancelled that out in the long run.

As Champions, I'd take Tyson over either of the brothers any day of the week. I don't even consider it debatable --- but as ambassadors & people who gave to the sport, the opposite feels equally true & decisive.

 

Don't forget to hide behind popcorn emoticons. opcorn:

 

Not that you know dicksquat about Kazakh culture (unless maybe you researched it recently as part of your crush on the Klitschkos), but wtf does this even have to do with the conversation?

I thought you liked being "direct?"

 

Dicksquat? Is that what you people do to take a piss?? Little willies like a chicks urethra so you squat, you do a little "DickSquat" to make a pee-pee???

Now, by way of answering your "question"....the story involves two Siberians, one of whom killed the other on account of a slur about the first ones patriotism, or lack thereof.

I can't see how ANY Russian would regard his patriotism as having been offended thanks to comments he made about ethnic Ukrainians who were born in Central Asia. ::

Now go make dicksquat.

 

Disagree.

Sure...he did embarrass boxing with the Rape conviction and the ear-biting (the latter, moreso IMO)...but IN NO WAY did that cancel out the good he did for boxing in terms of generating renewed interest in the sport in the decade after Muhammad Ali's (and Leonard's) retirement. People were bored with the sport until Tyson literally EXPLODED onto the scene. And when he returned from Jail, the sport lit up yet again.

 

Fixed.

 

You can link the decline of boxing as a serious sport to the day Tyson bit Holyfield.

It was already on the decline as a mainstream sport, but that was the day it became a joke to most.

As a whole, Tyson is one of the worst things that ever happened to boxing. More harm than good.

 

I don't agree with this statement at all.

 

That's cool. To each his own. But boxing hasn't been looked at the same way since, IMO.

 

I might broadly agree with you, but it is worth pointing out that an entire cabinet of people who had been left-out by Tyson or pissed-off with Tyson did dedicate large parts of their own career to putting him down and diminishing his achievements.

Atlas is one of them. Allowing personal beefs to enter into the argument. Mike could have iced Holyfield and Atlas would still be there beefing and denying.

Newfield himself made a name as a muckraker and a defender of the marginalized but he acted like a Fortune 500 CEO in his pompous put-downs of Tyson, who was still involved in an awful lot of big fights after he was well past his best. The claim that Tyson ducked Bowe is one of the most ridiculous I have heard.

Its a question of personal interpretation- how much damage did he do, and how much of the damage did he set off by raising the sports profile......

 

Guys like Chavez, Holyfield, Whitaker, Taylor, Jones etc etc etc (so many more to name, the sport was quite strong at the time)... would have done a fine job bridging the gap between Leonard and Oscar, IMO.

Certainly well enough to out-weigh the damage Tyson ended up doing.

 

I don't see people looking at boxing as a non-serious sport. I see people bored with boxing because it doesn't have an exciting heavyweight champion or even a well-known sub-heavyweight superstar...although Pacquiao and Mayweather had been changing this recently until it was apparent that they were not going to fight one another.

CHARACTERS (like Tyson) are what generates interest in the sport...and even when they do outrageous things the seriousness of the sport and it's excitement aren't compromised. What compromises the legitimacy of the sport is bogus decisions and millions of title belts and the best not fighting each other.

 

Man, a lot of people paid a lot of money to watch Holyfield rematch Tyson. People still associate boxing with the bite. In my neck of the woods, anyway.

But I can see what you're saying too. Boxing has had many issues, to blame them all of Tyson is wrong.

 

And I also see what you're saying re the bite fight. I was PISSED at the time. I hadn't anticipated a fight like that in years and for it to end on a bite..i was annoyed with the fucker. And yes, many of my friends were like WTF?!

 

Are you 5 years old?

.. OK. So what's that got to do with honor killings? If honor killings are big in the Ukraine or Siberia, I wasn't aware. Where the Klitschkos were born doesn't really have much to do with anything, since they don't identify as Kazakhs. It sounds like you were trying to be witty by making a tenuous correlation, and you failed.

 

It was certainly an embarrassing moment. And Tyson was so fucking famous at the time. ::

 

Funny to read this because my first reaction to the thread subject was "damn i feel like i wanted to stab Reed after some of the Roy Jones debates." :: just kidding. maybe