Manny's 1.25 million buys means Floyd....

Against a MORE MARKETABLE Opponent that was BIGGER than Manny & Given MORE of a Chance to BEAT Him....There's No Disputing THAT Either..



REED:hammert:

ps. Pac DIDN'T "Look Better" Vs. Marquez...So that SQUASHES that "Full Circle" Shit...

 

The problem is, only 1 of them is a fair comparison - Hatton, and fair enough, Floyd sold more, but it was close.

The reason the other 2 aren't fair - well Marquez, this one is obvious. This was manny pre battering-the-shit-out-of-Oscar-and-Hatton, and Floyd not only fought Marquez AFTER becoming even more famous after beating Oscar and Hatton, but it was a long awaited comeback fight.

The Oscar PPV is not fair either. A lot of people thought it was a joke of a fight that Oscar would win easily, and there were some other contributing factors that made Oscar - Floyd such a huge success.

1) - It was the first fight to feature HBO 24/7, not only that, but it was absolutely marketed to fuck. They certainly worked for those sales.

2) - Many, many people hate both Oscar and Floyd. Probably a million of those sales were people wanting to see them lose, maybe 500,000 each ::

Then of course there was Hatton, that was post Oscar for both men. Floyd did around 100,000 more.

But their last PPV, Manny won.

Is Cotto more popular than Marquez? Yes. But it was Floyd's long awaited comeback fight "like I said before" - and that has more interest and buzz than just an average tune-up etc.

 

Either you go by PPV results, or you acknowledge that it's not a fair comparison, in which case you don't. It's ludicrous to think that you can estimate the partial effect of this opponent or that, or this promoter or that one.

The bottom line is, Pacquiao has won the PPV number criteria. What has PBF won?

It's not Manny's fault that PBF fought a guy with little hope of winning. It's PBFs.

 

Manny's numbers come AFTER Oscar and Hatton were beaten, wonder what Floyd's PPV numbers would be if he fought Cotto right NOW? I highly doubt they would come close to 1 mil. Most of these numbers are PAC, PERIOD!

 

Pac didn't look better vs a younger Marquez at his best weight. PAc also wasn't a much larger man also.

Still, this is all redundant. They should split equally and anyone touting that the fight shouldn't happen unless 'X' gets more of the split is a fool.

Are you guys fans of the sport of Boxing?

 

sounds like youre describing mayweather jr vs marquez.

 

so this is factored in to pacquiao's pay per view sales, but legacy wise it has no impact on the quality of those victories for him apparently?

 

The problem with this argument is this...

Manny fought Marquez at Marquez's natural/best weight...TWICE

Floyd fighting Marquez is akin to Floyd fighting Paul Williams at middleweight.

Think Floyd would sign to fight Williams?

Don't worry...I'll wait for a response.

 

They're also better than Golden Boy: Grand Rapids...umm...I mean Mayweather Promotions.

 

was there ever any dispute ?

 

In the Future, DON'T Say "Pac Looked BETTER" Against Common Opponents, UNTIL You've QUALIFIED that Statement 1st...YOU Put it OUT THERE Like it was Indisputable, which AGAIN, was BULLSHIT...Floyd CLEARLY Looked BETER Against Marquez than Pac Did...PERIOD....

But BULLSHIT is Par for the Course as it Pertains to YOU & Mayweather...



REED:hammert:

 

The HONEST TRUTH is, if Pac had OUTSOLD Floyd vs. 3 COMMON OPPONENTS, YOU'D Rightfully EXPECT him to Get the BULK of the Purse, MWS...& the LATEST Fight of Each of them would B IRRELEVANT...

Just ADMIT IT!!!...


REED::

 

Nope. ::



Golden Boy spent a shitload of money promoting Mayweather-Marquez so you have to give them credit. The only problem is, they didn't clear as much as they should have because their advertising budget was so inflated in comparison to their previous efforts.

No matter how many arguments are made about who looked better than who in which fight, PPV numbers from two years ago in comparison to the past three months, the bottom line is the bottom line.

if Top Rank spent less to promote generated more PPV buys, more money at the gate, more international revenue, brought in more asses to Vegas....that's all that matters.

Everything else stops there...MONEY

That's easy enough for "Money" Mayweather to understand.

"However"

When Floyd CLEARLY winds up on the losing end of the financial equation, it's humorous how the script is flipped.

Mind you...I'M NOT A PACQUIAO FAN...but money don't lie.

Both brought it in...Pac brought in more.

End of story.

 

There's a certain amount of context I erroneously expected REED to be up on...obviously my perception was off the mark REED. Next time I'll be certain to do the homework for you.

I mean come on...it's not as though the promotion, 24/7, the weight issue at the weigh in, commentary during the fight didn't directly address the weight and size difference between the two.

I can see how that was missed on your end.

In case you weren't aware, Roy gained 20 pounds of muscle when he went up and fought Ruiz. There was a weight disparity in that fight as well.

Thought it would be beneficial to catch you up on not-so-current events.

:kidcool:

 

I shouldn't have to explain this but I will, anytime a SMALLER fighter moves up a weight class or two and takes on one of the BEST in the division, it is impressive. It's a lot more impressive than dropping down a class or two and winning, do you agree? This is why Pac is the star today, he's doing something not many can do and doing it impressively. PPV sales account for today, not yesterday and if that's not the case then shouldn't we take into account Floyd's PPV buys against Baldomir? (340,000). Or how about Cotto's star power when he generated 90,000 PPV buys taking on Malignagi.

 

I didn't realize you were privy to the financial statements of HBO, G and Top Rank. Could you share some pics of the statements you have seen?

 

2 out of 3 aint bad.

 

Indeed, Pac has looked better against common opponents, no doubt Mayweather looked better against Marquez, however Pac looked better against both DLH and Hatton. I see no one disputing this.

 

Fuck this, Floyd is everything, I live a covetted dream through his perce and popularity, as it's something I've never had, Cotto helped Pac's numbers!, fuck you, fuck you, he fucking helped I just know he did. Floyd's the star attraction, Pacquioa is a foreign fighter. Floyd's a celebrity and he's the charismatic American on American soil, and he's the smartest business man in boxing, the best self promoter bar none.

Fuck Pacquioa, Floyd deserves more, he deserves MORE, or the fight is off! I dont care what you basement internet faggots have to say, neither does he, the onus is on Pacquioa to take less or he officially bitched the fuck out. :shit:

 

So LOOKING Better TRUMPS OUTSELLING Now????::...Fact is, Floyd LOOKED BETTER Against Pac's TOUGHEST Opponent AND he OUTSOLD him vs. ALL 3 COMMON Opponents...

REED Bets he WON'T See YOU "Disputing" THAT...


REED::

 

::

 

And Manny looked better against Mayweather toughest opponent.

 

WHEN Did Manny Actually FIGHT JL Castillo???...Sparring DOESN'T Count...


REED::

 

Oscar was an equally tough opponent. Floyd's toughest opponent a sparring partner for Manny, that has a nice ring to it.

 

Pac definitely looked better against the common opponents in general. That is pretty much undisputable. Now you are bringing up outselling like it was the topic at hand all along trying to play it down but you disputed Pac looking better against common opponents and went on something about how qualified the statement was. You are wrong.

 

Outselling has been the topic all along. At least that's why people are arguing that Floyd deserves NO worse than a 50-50 split... because he has outsold Pac against common opponents

 

Castillo ARGUABLY BEAT Floyd...Dela CLEARLY LOST a Close Fight to Floyd...NO Comparison...If YOU Hear a "Nice Ring" to Pac Sparring w/Floyd's TOUGHEST Opponent 7 YEARS AFTER they Fought, So B It...



REED::

 

Does "In General" INCLUDE JM Marquez????...Of Course it DOESN'T...The FACT is, Floyd Looked BETTER than Pac Did, Against Pac's TOUGHEST Opponent...R YOU Gonna Dispute that???...If NOT, SHUTthefuckUP about it...

The ENTIRE Time, REED has Spoken of PPV SALES vs. Common Opponents...REED ISN'T Only "Now" Bringing Up Shit...U're just LATE to the Party, Apparently...I'd HELP Your Sorry Ass Case if U Actually KNEW What had Been Said in Other Threads 1st, Homegirl...



REED:hammert:

 

But it's ok for you to compare Floyd's PPV against JMM THAT JUST HAPPENED and Manny's with JMM from YEARS ago.

All is fair. ::

 

If the fight comes off next I am definitely picking Mayweather, Pacquiao has the WBA trinket which IMO means little in a superfight, though neither will budge and a 50-50 split sounds right, I think Mayweather doesn't fight Pac and takes on Mosley after he takes Berto's WBC trinket.