Marcellus "Too Sharp" Johnson: First Ballot Hall of Famer.

...about that resume?

 

his resume reads first ballot hall of famer.

i forgot, thats only because he's so famous?

 

all jokes aside...when did you start watching boxing?

 

mikE saw johnsons whole career. he thinks jiminez and marquez (in the first fight) dominated johnson so there is no winning in trying to convince him of johnsons resume.

 

i wonder if steve kim's article on too sharp a few weeks back had any influence on the panel to vote him in. he just did a follow up story today. cam dunkin pretty much admitted that he made sure johnson didn't get to any of his fighters (tapia and romero) knowing he would've whupped both guys.

 

I think they both deserved the decision against Slap. I don't believe I've ever said dominated.

He has the win over Jimenez on his record, already. Is that his 2nd best win? You've already tried to claim the first Marquez fight.

I know you love the guy, but talk about opening the floodgates if you let someone in with this kind of resume. And why? Because you and Jake think he was ducked by a couple of contemporaries that makes him worthy?

So far, here's where we are at:

Win over Fernando Montiel + good performance in losing effort vs Rafael Marquez I + win over Raton Jimenez + Danny Romero & Johnny Tapia ducked him = HOF

OR what I said...

highly regarded American with shit resume, but who had the novelty of being a black guy who only weighed 112 lbs so that trumps his violent behavior outside of the ring and his lack of accomplishments within it and because it was chic to rank him in p4p lists back in the day.

 

you asked for proof and received it. it is fact, not opinion

 

This is really the root of your problem with Too Sharp. Whether you want to accept it or not, it's clear Tapia and Romero wanted nothing to do with Too Sharp. In fact, I'd take it a step farther and toss HBO into the mix as well. HBO wanted the Tapia-Romero fight and pushed to make that happen...(didn't tapia beat up Marco A. Barrera's litle brother on a doubleheader with Romero?)

I also thought he beat Marquez the first time out. Didn't he lose points for low blows or something? I have the fight on tape somewhere and haven't watched in years but I seem to recall he lost because of the point deductions.

 

he had points deducted by that racist cunt bobby gonzalez. then they changed the scorecards an hour later after he was declared the winner in the ring.

mikE claims johnson couldnt punch but thought romero was p4p material until he blew it against salazar. for the record mikE had romero beating tapia as well.

 

Yes, racism was responsible for Johnson fouling Marquez.

I cant help but notice the shoes on the other foot now, RE: De La Hoya-Mosley II. Whats your betting slip say this time, Neil?

 

dont speak on fighters you have never seen

 

I dont.

Whats your betting slip say, Neil?

 

i didnt bet on the fight. it wasnt even a good betting opportunity or a prominent enough bout to wager on. there was corruption involved nonetheless.

 

The same happened to Stevie Johnston after the first Castillo fight, no?

 

Like when Mosley, "beat," De La Hoya?

Johnson blew the fight. He could have, and quite arguably should have, won a decision he blew with that stupid shit in the clinch. And here you are showing how adult you can be about it by blaming the ref for doing his job. Weak as ever.

 

you keep bringing up mosley-delahoya 2 like it was some sort of vindication for the dildo recipient. it was a shitty fight in which neither guy looked good. were you impressed by dildo la hoya in that fight?

the referee in johnson-marquez 1, gonzalez, is the most corrupt ref in a corrupt state in the country.

 

You guys didn't provide 'proof' of Romero and Tapia ducking Johnson, you provided hearsay of a handler. Then you resort to irrelevant stuff attacking me rather than defend why Too Slap should get in.

I don't like Too Slap. Never have. Thought he was boring, cherry-picked his title shots, and he fought no-hopers. But i'm not basing my opinion that he has no business being inducted into the HOF on not liking him or that he was boring. I'm basing it on substantive things. So far, I've been countered with the idea that two guys supposedly avoided him as if that is reason enough to let him in. Come on.

Someone please try to make the case for him and leave me out of it. Good luck.

 

Are you looking for secret recorded documents? Prefer to read the underside of the Dead Sea Scrolls as proof? Looking for lie detector results?

When the manager of the guys says he didn't want his guy to fight Johnson, that's solid enough proof.

This is simply a case of your not liking Johnson (which is your right) but to discredit the words of a guy who has nothing to gain or lose 14-15 years after the fact...the only logical excuse for remaining so thick about this is your bias toward Johnson.

 

:l2:

 

Again, avoiding the point about justifying the dipshit being worthy of the HOF. I do not ever remember hearing Too Slap call out either guy. I don't remember hearing any handler for either Romero or Tapia saying that they didn't want to fight him. I'd like to see a cite, but the fact is I don't give a shit even if it is true, it's NO reason to justify being in the HOF.

Pretend I've conceded the point and move on. It isn't relevant.

 

Perhaps we should agree to disagree on this fight.

Care to discuss the rematch?

 

:atu:

 

sure. i was at the rematch in las vegas. it was the undercard to ayala-adams 2. went to the weigh in where johnson looked soft and like shit. i remember seeing marquez a few hours prior to the fight and thinking the guy looked like a lightweight. at that point i figured he'd smash johnson and that i was amazed at the performance in the first bout. he looked about 2 divisions bigger than johnson in the ring for the rematch.

 

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/sub-lead/stating-the-case-for-too-sharp

 

This fucking bullshit about being Black counting against him......how many miles do these fuck-tards get out of the same 100 year old fucking line??

The guy was a FUCKING FLYWEIGHT thats why he never made any money and that's why nobody gave a fuck when he was ducked cos midget-ducking doesn't make the headlines.

If Floyd was 5'5" and weighed 118 lbs do people think he would get away with HALF the shit he currently does as a Welterweight.

He was tiny. That counted against him as much as anything else.

I agree with Johnson being a far more calculating hitter than Romero. Even Tapia was surprised by how little Romero offered when he, Tapia, finally fought him.

Midgetry.

 

Pretty fair point, Irish.

Its absolutely retarded for anyone to play the race card for Johnson's day.

 

johnson being black and being small obviously caused him problems with getting fights. if he was mexican and or larger he would have been an icon.

 

Well then the concept of him being ducked needs to be better fleshed out.

The very basic, crude, fundamental notion that the guy was frozen out, a la Joe Jeannette or Tiger Flowers, because he was black, is a little bit cheap.

Principally, his problems were that he was a small dude, for openers, whose opponents didn't fancy his slick style, and who could make better money in any regard matching up opponents who were more their cup of tea in the first place.

 

him being black is one reason he was frozen out. not the only reason. you seemed to gravitate towards that part of the article immediately. no surprise.

 

come on, he was a much more authoritative puncher than Calzaghe... even you aren't that retarded