Marquez offered fall bout with Pacquiao

That would be the continuation of your logic when it comes to determining size, yes.

We already discussed this. Manny obviously has a much greater base level of talent than 99.9% of fighters.

Most fighters also don't have the resources Manny Pac has, the competent administration of complex PEDs (including dosing protocol, mitigation of health risks, cycling off, and masking) is not something most fighters can afford.

IMO Manny was probably not on anything until the 2nd Morales fight. Coincidentally, Alex Ariza came on board after the first Morales loss...

 

According to some people (not anyone I've met in real life boxing circles I must say, only web warriors) almost all top fighters are on PEDs.

And if the piss test is as easy to defeat as they say, most world class fighters have more than enough money and resources to obtain and administer steroids.

By the way is that definitely true, about Ariza coming on board after the first Morales fight? Hasn't Ariza been with Roach longer than that?

As for your first line, that's kind of my point. If what Manny was doing was easy even WITH steroids, or if steroids were a large component of his success, what he's doing wouldn't be remotely unique. Quite simply, there would be more Pacquiao's in boxing.

 

It was either after the first Morales fight or before Pac moved up to 135, I don't remember exactly. It was around that time for sure, though.

Steroids and EPO are a large component of his success post 130. Even with his careful opponent selection, I don't think he would be nearly as successful at the higher weights without them.

Does that mean any fighter can take PEDs and perform at Manny's level? Of course not, because most fighters aren't even 10% as good as Manny at his native weight. But if you take a guy with Manny's raw talent and add in Ariza's special "cocktail," then that's a different story.

 

Also, I would say that steroids are probably not nearly as prevalent in boxing as they are in MMA. Almost everyone in MMA is juicing, and everyone knows it.

 

Which means again, although I would like to believe Manny isn't on steroids, or ANY fighter actually, the fact is, even if he is, what he's accomplished is still incredible.

Steroids are readily available. I doubt Ariza can somehow obtain better roids than anyone else.

Also, the only fight I know of where a fighter has clearly looked better with roids is Salido against Guerrero.

Mosley got caught for taking roids in the Oscar rematch, a fight I thought he lost. There's no evidence to suggest he took them in the first fight, a fight I scored 9 rounds to 3 for Shane.

Also, despite the likelyhood, I'm not prepared to classify anyone as a roid user before they've been caught.

There is the possibility that Manny isn't on roids, so it is innocent until proven guilty.

People act like he's actually been caught, when the truth is, it's just speculation.

 

What about HGH?... if he doesn't obviously exhibit the effects of HGH, then somebody better get this lad to a hospital because, something's up with his pituitary gland,.. this serene clean fighter may have a tumour,.. or maybe a little controlled tweaking of sorts?

 

Yeah if he's on anything, surely it's HGH rather than EPO?

 

I would say he's on both GH & EPO. EPO for stamina, GH combined with a low level testosterone base for growth. Maybe a designer anabolic as well.

Among all the circumstantial evidence is how Pac got tired and was breathing with his mouth open in the first Morales fight. His stamina improved noticeably in the 2nd fight and wasn't affected at all as he moved up in weight.

Steroids are readily available, the competent administration of EPO, GH, and testosterone/AAS is something else entirely.

 

A rainbow melt,..an assortment of flavours under the one increasingly thickenned crust,..

But dare I also say,.. the commission most definitely knew about the special insertion in Margarito's wraps,...........................

 

Do you think this may effect Pacquiao's life in the longterm?.. I mean, if other fighters are taking HGH,.. I surely haven't noticed anything like the sort of bizarre and rapid physical change that Pacquiao has gone through,.. so since you know your stuff,.. could he have overdone this?... and could he suffer for it in the future?..

 

I don't think he's overdoing it, I'm sure whoever is giving it to him (if not Ariza) is very competent and knowledgeable. Most likely it won't effect his life negatively, guys who have their lives affected negatively are the ones who stay on high concentrations of multiple compounds for years at a time. But who knows? I guess we'll see in a few years if Pacquiao suddenly develops a distended gut..

 

Well that's a pity,..a happy ending to one of the most disgusting corrupt scams in boxing's filthy history.

 

If the fight comes off, it'll be interesting to see how Marquez looks at the weigh-in, and what weight he comes in at. I think he should just come in at whatever weight he is in the ring on fight night at 135, say 141 or so. f he comes in pudgy like he did against Floyd, he might be toast, especially as he's slipped a bit in recent years.

I'll still be betting on Marquez, though. The skill gulf between the two is vast enough to make me comfortable doing that regardless.

 

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Manny has a hard on for fighting Morales coming off a loss. Im sure he will be offered a fight.

 

You best remember that come fight time, nerd boy :kidcool: