Matchups that would have a different result if the loser was prime

DLH/Floyd

 

I can already hear galloping hooves coming to the defense of his God.

 

Prime Mosley was faster than Pac. Manny is in deep shit just based on that alone. I have a hard time picturing Pac having the chin to withstand the firepower of a young Mosley, who would digging killer body shots in to slow Pac up.

 

Hahaha!!

 

But I agree with you. Above 140, prime Oscar beats Floyd.

You know what makes Floyd look bad? A washed up Whitaker handled a PEAK Oscar easier than a PEAK Floyd handled a washed up Oscar.

 

Ali-Holmes: The mid 60s Ali beats Holmes by a comfortable margin.

 

Yeah that's probably right

 

Tyson/Holy?

 

I'm not even a fan of Wright, but prime Winky would jab the living shit outta Williams while beating him up.

 

Maybe but there's just something about the mentality of the whole thing ... Evander was in Mike's head

 

Agreed, but I don't know if the younger less beefier and muscled Holyfield would have been able to handle Mike on the inside and push him back like he did when they fought.

 

Yup... that's the other part of the equation

 

Word. No version of Shane is beating Pacquiao. None.

 

2000 version of Mosley would have Ko’d Forrest too if that fight were mythical.

Mosley was crazily overrated.

 

Agree with Hut on Winky-Williams. Wright was always the better fighter but at the same time it's always a stylistic issue for him.

I don't think a younger Mosley is a lock to beat Pac at all. Obviously a much tougher fight but Mosley WAS always overrated imo.

Always thought Holyfield troubles Tyson.

 

Oscar is always a tough matchup for Floyd, in fact as a Floyd fan the De La Hoya fight was the one that made me the most nervous.

I pick Floyd though. Intangibles...Floyd has the ability to raise his game if he needs to. 140lb Oscar may have been better than 154lb Oscar but 140lb Floyd was also better than 154lb Floyd. Net net it’s arguable that Oscar lost more by the time they fought than Floyd but we can also argue that Oscar being a naturally biggger man was more suited to that weight than Floyd was. In any event Oscar has fought there or higher before and Floyd hadnt.

Mayweather would have always been smarter and more elusive that Oscar, and Oscar would have only been able to hurt Mayweagher with the left hook and Mayweather’s shoulder roll style makes getting hit with a flush left hook almost impossible.

Fight would have been closer but Floyd would have still won.

 

I’m one of those that thinks that Evander may have always beaten Tyson, even the 205lb version.

Richie Giucetti once said of Tyson, when Tyson was prime and blowing everyone away, that he’s not sure about his chin. Now he was very clear that he wasn’t referring to his chin for hard punches but more his ability to keep taking it in a war. Tyson proves over his career that his weakness was a guy that wouldn’t be discouraged and that would keep hitting him over and over again that he couldn’t KO with one punch. That would be evander.

 

So overrated that even Mamadou Thiam would have defeated him, right?

 

Here's one that might be debated:

Vargas-Quartey: I feel like the mid 90s Ike would have been too much for Vargas. The Ike of 2000 fought like he was stuck in mud all night, yet still managed to take 4 rounds off of Nando.

 

That was said mainly to troll the crazy Mosley fans of 18 years ago that thought Shane walked on water. Similar to how Cdogg enjoyed trolling Bruce Lee fans with talk of aspirins. I was making a point that a slugger who can take his punches and keep coming would give him problems since Shane wasn’t really a boxer.

Anyway my assessment of Shane Mosley’s abilities have since been vindicated.

 

You predicted circa 2003 that Mayorga would have given Mosley a "career ending beating."

By time they fought, BOTH were washed up, but you saw who got the beating...

 

As you said both were washed up therefore nothing can be gleaned from that fight. Who was more washed up is a matter of opinion. Mayorga had lost all confidence in his ability to take punches since the Tito fight and the Oscar fight put a stamp on that. I maintain that the Mayorga who beat Forrest twice and was high in confidence would have beaten Shane. But we’ll never know for sure either way....so what’s the point in speculating.

That’s the thing with you, you act like something is evidence when it’s actually just your opinion.

 

I'd say so aye. Mike still had speed and power but his timing was pretty shot.

 

I think Holy always gives Mike all he can handle. He just had the style, and the mentality, to give Mike fits. He was also really, really good in his own right. 'Prime' Tyson might bomb him out but he might also be outlasted by Holy. I'd favour the latter. Also agree that Lewis always beats Holy. Again, a styles thing more than anything else.

I'll add Eubanks - Calzaghe to the list of fights that Calzaghe apparently loses. I think the Eubanks from Benn I and Watson I and II causes Calzaghe a shitload of bother.

MTF

 

I think Calzaghe always beats Eubank. Too much work rate for Eubank.

 

Prime Eubanks was a lot more active than the post-Watson II version.

MTF

 

Pains me to say it, but I agree with Stafford on this. I think Calz beats any Eubank.

 

Ray Leonard vs. Hector Camacho

 

Eubanks was never particularly active. He was a posing posturing guy with good skills, great chin and devastating power but he preferred to fight at a slower pace. He couldn’t maintain a great pace and relied on hurting his opponents and or psyching them out.

 

Tony Ayala vs Yory Boy Campas

Its doubtful that pre-prison Ayala would have beaten a Leonard, Hearns, or Duran.. but young Ayala damn sure woulda beaten the Hell outta Campas.