Merchant still hates Floyd!

There are no weight categories in golf and tennis.:: Floyd has proven he's a top fighter, but not the best fighter. You prove you're the best by beating the best and last I saw, Cotto and Paul Williams are BOTH UNDEFEATED! Just like Money May.:eeeek: :clap: So who has bragging rights?

 

The difference is, Woods and Federer have FACED and BEATEN all the best opponents around. Floyd hasn't fought very many of the best fighters of his own division, and that is the problem. He probably could beat them considering how good he looks, but he needs to prove it just like everybody else

 

I wish you would be white for a day and then read your own posts and see how biased you are towards Floyd.::

 

He doesn't have to prove SHIT! They have to prove that they can beat HIM not the other way around. He's the linear and true champion...what have they done that compares?

 

He is the titlist yes. But you tell me if he has cleaned out the division? Has he? If you say no, then we agree here

 

Cotto beat Shane and Zab(stopped Zab which Floyd couldn't), Paul beat Margarito. Floyd hasn't done anything at WW that blows away the accomplishments of the other 2 guys.:tease:

 

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all. Take a breath, think about it logically and you'll understand

 

The thing is unlike them, Floyd fights in a sport where there is multiple divisions and he didn't prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's the best welterweight around. Hatton, while very very good, had only one fight at WW, won it by a hair and was in trouble in the 12th round. It's not that kind of opponent that makes you the best in your division. Hatton is not a WW, period. It leaves Gatti, Judah, Baldomir and Mitchell. 3 of these guys aren't natural WW, and 3 of them were nearing the end of their career. You can crown him as the WW king if you want, in fact I don't have any problem with that, but I disagree when you say he's the best hands down, not with the guys that are currently campaigning at WW. If he retired right now, I think he'd leave unfinished business at WW. That doesn't mean he isn't great (I know you Floyd fans are sensitive), it just means there are still intriguing fights to be made at the weight he's campaigning at.

 

WTF!!

Tiger Woods and Roger Federer play against their closest competitors all the time. If they all of a sudden stopped playing golf and tennis...........no, they would no longer be the best.

How can the other Welterweights prove they can beat Floyd if Floyd won't fight them.

Crappy analogy!

Floyd is the linear Champion, I'll give you that. He needed to fight Baldomir when he did. We all know, however there's bigger fish to fry in the division which he hasn't come close to cleaning out.

Shit, there probably 4-5 guys in the division at least who are better then anybody he has fought at Welterweight.

Shit, I like Floyd, I rooted for him against Hatton. But, I don't place GOAT status on fighters based on who they "could have beaten" but "who they have beaten".

 

you are so full of shit, it's ridiculous. if floyd fights and beats cotto and williams then you'll mention two more motherfuckers claiming floyd has to beat to be the best...it's a neverending cycle

lets cut through all the bullshit and be REAL...you just want floyd to keep fighting and fighting praying and waiting for him to lose so you can say, "I told you so, he's always been overrated". it's the oldest game in the book that has long since been worn out...

 

Might be, but IMHO Floyd could give it a try by fighting at least one top-3 welterweight don't you think?:clap:

 

No way! :nono:


It's a set-up. Floyd's gotta defend against the "I told you so's!".

::

 

kindly pull your head out of your ass please...the general consensus is floyd mayweather is the best fighter in the world, regardless of weight division. if you want to play fucking head games then you're playing them by yourself, with yourself.

floyd mayweather is the best welterweight in the world...if you cannot handle that then that's on you. floyd has beat judah, baldomir, de la hoya and hatton recently...not exactly lightweight competition (no pun intended). what the fuck else do you want the man to do? actually it's a retorical question because it's obvious what you want the man to do. LOSE.

 

2 of the guy you listed aren't welterweights. Nice try.

 

so fighting oscar at 154 doesn't count? you guys are fucking bugging out...:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

Of course it doesn't count. Since when fighting a fading semi retired star in another division gives you a free pass from fighting the top guys in YOUR division? That's freaking ridiculous.

 

I'm a fan of Mayweather. I want him to Fight. I want him to attempt to clean out the Welterweight division which is very strong right now. I will respect him more if he at least attempts it and loses then if he sits back in retirement waiting for the next carefully matched opponent to raise his stock enough for Mayweather to come out of retirement for a payday.

 

Judah - bum, idiot
Baldomir - bum, loser
DLH - shot, old, inactive
Hatton - too small

Well? :dunno:

 

honestly, you NEED to stay the hell out of this discussion seeing how you picked hatton to KO floyd in 8 rounds. btw: who did you pick in the floyd/de la hoya fight? pathetic...

 

and after floyd beats cotto and williams, they'll be bums or overrated too. give it up hanzy...:laughing:

 

I'm going to help Tap out on this one.


Simply put, few people would disagree that Floyd Mayweather is at number one on most people's mythical pound-for-pound list right now. If he is considered the Top P4P fighter in the world, then it could be safely assumed that he is the best fighter at his weight.

The problem with this rationale is that the P4P deal is guesswork and there is another guy in the top 5 on most P4P list that shares the same weight division as Floyd. As long as Miguel Cotto is around and undefeated, the question about the best WW will loom.

Given Mayweather's record and history, I don't think it's unfair to call him the best WW in the world. Unfortunately, in boxing, that is a claim you have to continue defending or it is eventually questioned or it is taken away completely.

 

:nono: Cotto - legit threat, strong ww, prime

Williams - huge, tall, busy, skilled, prime

Wins over these fighters make Floyd the best welterweight walking the earth, no questions asked. It's up to Floyd to make it happen if he's really a true champion.

 

Floyd is scared he's gonna get Tarvered. That's why he's handpicking.

 

do you understand it's virtually impossible to clean out a division...they're will ALWAYS be someone left to fight. who's to say after floyd beats cotto and/or williams, andre berto or someone not yet on the immediate radar comes fo age...then the haters will be clamoring for floyd to fight him (or them) to prove greatness...it's a neverening cycle. for the life of phonetap he doesn't understand why this goes over your heads. again, there will ALWAYS be someone left to fight...so when will enough be enough?

granted phonetap wants to see floyd fight cotto but after that he should be able to retire in peace...

 

It took Hopkins about a year to clean out the Middleweight division once he was finally allowed to get down to business by Don King.

Nobody's asking Floyd to carry the torch in the division for the next 10 years. Just wrap up the loose ends that were already there when you entered the damn weight class.

He wants to retire, fine I can respect that. Just can all this GOAT talk because you don't get to carry that mantle based on potential or coulda beens.

In my mind the only two fights out there for him are Cotto and Paul Williams. That would be considered cleaning out the division in my eyes. I think he beats Cotto and Williams gives him a very tough challenge based on styles.

Of course there will always be more challenges to conquer but in the end you have to take them as a whole. Hopkins has been doing it forever. One of the reasons I respect Dela Hoya, though I usually always tend to root against him is through the last half of his career he has consistently taken fights he has a chance to lose or he's not favored in.

Fights he doesn't necessarily have to take.

I respect the fighter and who he fights. Not preserving that stupid "0" at the end of the record.

 

alrighty then...phonetap respects you so he won't argue with you on this anymore. floyd is the best welterweight and doesn't have to prove it against anyone...they have to prove it against him and phonetap is not budging on his opinion.

 

And neither should you because it is the correct one.

 

Floyd is the best fighter in the world IMO. I just disagree with you that he does have to keep proving it. Preferably against the more talented fighters in the present weight class he now fights in.

 

In need of arguments? So you bring up something that has NOTHING to do with our discussion. I don't like Floyd, never hid it and I picked Hatton because of that even though Floyd was clearly the most logical pick. Now because of that, I'm disqualified from participating in any discussion involving Floyd? Fuck you!

I picked Floyd by wide decision against DLH if you want to know.