Miranda vs. Kessler on HBO in May or June?

That's not really a close fight, that's still a decisive win for Joe. He's won twice as many rounds on your card.

 

Agreed.

MWS - it's simple, you thought the fight would go one way and in your head it did and you scored it appropriately.

I did not see the fight the same way - and your insisting it WAS that way won't help your cause any. ::

I scored it the way I scored it, and saw what I saw.

I also saw Kessler surge in the 11th and 12th, so saying he looked out of his depth the entire back half is to me, inaccurate.

I had the fight 7-4-1. I can see it 8-4 at best, but most certainly not 9-3. And quite a few of those rounds were pretty competitive.

Kessler is an elite, world-class fighter - as is Calzaghe, who proved he is on an even higher level.

But because Kessler is also world-class, that's why I'd be interested in a rematch - I think he knows exactly what he did wrong; and that when he did it right, he had quite a bit of success.

That's what would make it intriguing.

Your depiction of the fight is amazingly one-sided in favor of Calzaghe.

And I think you underestimate just how perfectly he had to fight and adjust to take that clear win....he said so himself.

Calzaghe just does a great job of passing that off in the ring.

I am not saying a rematch is warranted or a MUST - it was a clear win for Calzaghe.

I'm saying that if a rematch happened, I think it's legit and I'd be very interested in seeing it.

How do you rate Kessler at 168?

Peace.

 

I rate Kessler the best after Calzaghe. So if Calzaghe is moving up, then kessler is the best at 168. And he should beat Miranda almost as decisively as Pavlik did.

Conversely, you have such an appreciation of Kessler that it clouded your view of the fight, and you gave him unnecessary credit.

I'm sure you know I'm not exactly a Calzaghe fan. I even prefer Hatton, but I've come to acknowledge how good Calzaghe really is.

But my scoring of the fight was impartial, because I'm not a Calzaghe fan or Kessler hater. I saw Calzaghe outclass Kessler, and for much of the fight make Kessler look pretty one dimensional and robotic.

And absolutely, Calzaghe had to put in a great performance obvously - Kessler is a huge amount better than the likes of Lacy and Manfredo. But that's beside the point, I know Kessler is a good, solid fighter, but Calzaghe beat him hands down.

The fight looked EXACTLY how I thought it would look, with Calzaghe being too quick, too crafty, and too unpredictable for Kessler, but that has absolutely nothing to do with how I scored the fight. It just so happened I made a good prediction.

 

Kessler should be able to school Miranda for a decision.

 

Since when have I been such a huge fan of Kessler's?

Like him? Sure.

But not so much that I'd give him all of this 'unecessary' credit.

Conversely, I have often defended Calzaghe's resume (which is sometimes underrated) and I picked him to outbox and beat Lacy.

I think people were a bit too enthralled with Calzaghe's movement, shuckin' and jivin' and quick flurries, when he wasn't always really landing clean. I think he created the perception that the fight was wider than it really was.

That being said, I was one of the first on here praising his performance as a perfect one - and acknowledging the adjustments he made, which were brilliant....confused Kessler for many rounds and pulled it out for him, clearly with no controversy.

7-4-1 or 8-4, it's a clear win. I don't agree with 9-3 or more and can't see it.

I brought up the point on Calzaghe's performance - and how you rate Kessler - because in many of your posts you basically say outright or imply that it was an easy win - i.e. "a casual beating" in your post above.

So in a weird, perverse way, you're almost stating that you don't give much credit to Calzaghe for the win. I remember you downplaying the significance and "brilliance" of the win.

Just feels weird.

:dunno: I didn't quite see it that way, but do agree that it was a clear win and that in those middle to mid-late rounds, he did befuddle Kessler!

Believe me, Cal gets loads of credit from me for that win...and a clear win it was, no doubt. I didn't think he could do it - and if he did, I didn't think it would be that clear.

So there you have it - we will forever disagree on our perceptions of that fight.

What we won't disagree on is Calzaghe's talent and place in the sport. :bears:

Peace.

 

looks like this one has been finalized for may 24th on showtime.

 

According to ...?

 

I thought Miranda was supposed to fight that Canadian guy?

 

Maxboxing.com

Max Brief- Kessler to face Miranda on May 24th
Sources have informed Maxboxing that a super middleweight bout between Mikkel Kessler and Edison
Miranda has been finalized and will take place on May 24th at a venue still to be determined. This match-up
will be televised on Showtime.

This will be Kessler's first outing since losing his showdown against Joe Calzaghe back in November

 

I was just thinking the same thing:dunno:

 

I'm just going to keep reiterating my point about boxing. Boxing is not dying! As a matter of fact it's getting stronger and with match-ups like this that keep on happening only solidifies my point. This a great first half of boxing. I'll Holla 5000

 

The Canadian guy thought so too.....until Miranda knocked David Banks through the fucking ropes.


"I'm...I'm....I'm not scayrrred...." he said.

 

miranda said after the fight that he didnt care to fight pascal and that he was rather interested in the winner of pavlik/taylor II.

well, taylor lost, pavlik looks like he's fighting at 160, so i guess miranda moved onto better things.

kessler is a proven world class fighter. pascal isn't.

 

Pascal fucking sucks. Why would anyone want to see this mis-match? Did you see Pacals fight when he and Miranda fought on the same card?

Miranda knocks Banks out of the ring. Pacal almost gets stopped by some scrub. Now do you really need to ask why that fight isn't happening?

 

Agreed. Pascal made a fool of himself on that night. Especially when he was looking for someone to hold him while he was barking at Miranda.::

 

:: :bears:

 

Miranda would brutally KO the Roy Jones wannabe.

 

You mean the Canadian "Roy Jones"::

 

:nono:

 

Forget winning a round, I doubt Miranda could win a minute against Kessler.

I don't know how many times I have to tell everyone that Miranda IS NOT a world class boxer, or close to it. I would way rather see Pascal/Miranda, because I don't know who would win. Pascal is better at everything but punching hard, but he also has those mental lapses in the ring that could get him caught against a puncher like Miranda.

Miranda/Kessler is an awful mismatch.

 

I doubt very much that HBO will be interested in a calzaghe - kessler rematch, since they did so poorly in the ratings.

 

Pascal will lose to the fist guy he faces with a pulse. He is garbage.

You would like him though, ya damn Canadian.

 

Absolutely. The last eighteen months or so have seen some AWESOME matchups, with more in the pipeline.

The naysayers are full of it...

 

AgREED.

Miranda has a great punch, but very little else. Mikkel is far too good technically to be drawn into the kind of skill-less brawl Edison needs to engage in to stand any chance in this fight.

As to Joe-Mikkel II. Will never happen. Ever. Joe said in the aftermath of the first fight (which I though he won by a couple of rounds and no more than that) that he was in no way, shape or form prepared to rematch Kessler, as Kessler would 'inevitably improve'.

And as other's have noted, the US public weren't overly excited by the first fight to start with, and Joe is only interested now in fighting Stateside and collecting some paydays before checking out. A rematch with Mikkel is a HUGE risk for not a lot of reward, and Joe is in no way, shape or form looking for that kind of fight at this closing stage of his career.

 

Why is Montreal a likely destination for this fight?

Is it going to be paired with a Lucien Bute fight?

 

Why a sarcastic face for? He's right. This should be an exciting yet, yet totally one sided. Kessler will counter Miranda to death and eventually stop him.

 

i agree, but he would win a round or two, and possibly even hurt Kessler.