MUSIC: the official thread.

despise is too strong a word

they don't matter enough to be despised... I'm not confronted by them enough for it to matter

they bore me and Morrissey is a dope

 

I like Marr as a guitarist. Morissey's huge gangster latino following in LA is really weird :: just adds to my bemusement

 

a a garage band with an idea > any band without one

 

Wasn't aware of that. They must have glossed over the homo part in the documentary.

 

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:love:
lovelovelovelovelovelove

 

you play?

 

Ugh, pretentious crap.

 

sure, but your ideas about someone "not having an idea" are well established as having basically nothing to do with music at all and everything to do with your perception (right or wrong) of the people creating it and the environment where they are doing so

 

they always doathetic:

 

it's like Depeche Mode with more attractive instrumentation

 

because how else would you be able to accurately determine the skill level of the guitarist?

there's nothing wrong with Garage band skills in the context of that music... because, frankly, it isn't really necessary to have much more than that... it is not complicated stuff... but that IS the skill level, believe it

U2 have been playing for a good 35 years and they still don't play very well, but some people like their songs regardless, like the sound they make regardless... playing the music of The Smiths does not require a lot of musical skill, practice or knowledge... that isn't to say it can't be great art (that is matter of individual taste, of course) but it isn't particularly skillful

You could take beginner's guitar lessons for a year or so and never progress beyond that and you'd have no trouble playing the entire Smiths catalogue

 

Not sure if this made it any where internationally, but its an awesome song.

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it is not BS, music is more complex than sport... Johnny Marr is creative, The Edge is creative... that is a totally different thing than skill... if I were in there saying "Paddy McCourt = Zico" you'd have a point... I'm not

Frusciante is good at what he does... what he does is basically Jimi Hendrix-style Rhythm guitar... as a lead guitarist, I don't really rate him

 

cdogg - I agree with you about the musical-skill level, but at the end of the day, doesn't it usually matter that the end result of the combined talents of music-writing, arrangement, lyrics, catchiness, obtianing a 'sound' etc, that is far more important?

Just for the record, I only own 5 albums by The Smiths (none by Morrisey and none by Joihnny Marr), I'm not a huge fan, but the result they got from all the above characteristics and not a lot of technical skill....is very impressive.
I also don't the homo-fascination with Morrisey or everyone going on about how great a guitarist Marr is, but put them together and you've got something.

 

I personally never cared for The Smiths music. It just wasn't a style I like. That being said, I always find it funny when musicians slam the talent of other musicians. I remember listening to Henry Rollins slam everything about U2's musical ability. I'm not a musician. Maybe Rollins is right. But it can't help sounding like bitter jealousy.

 

I can't really see any reason to get precious about music or treat it as a delicate subject, tbh (unlike football! ::). It's not like you're related to the artist or it's chosen for you by nationality or where you come from. If somebody said Captain Beefheart was shite I'd call them insane but I wouldn't be offended and I wouldn't like the person any less (I dont even like Slice less for liking Damon Albarn I just think he's mental). Cdogg's called me straight-up deaf at least twice :: *shurgs*

 

Yeah, I guess. :: Interspersed with me making the kind of cutting analogies that forest gump might make on acid. I think I said Steely Dan were music to paint a barn door to at one point.

 

Steely Dan are fucking great.

I'm completely different to U2, they've got a few ok songs I guess.

Damon Albarn is a very good songwriter.

 

All hyper famous people seem to amplify their trademark trait and become total parodies of themselves, U2 no different. when I was a late teen a quite liked the first two albums and when i was bit younger than that I really liked achtung baby. I wouldn't sit and listen to any of it but some of it is non-shite.

 

Yep.

 

why do people consistently think skill and talent are synonymous?

I never attacked Johnny Marr's TALENT

I challenge anyone to find a post where I did