For those who put Chris Paul on their all NBA 1st team, don't you guys think he should have been penalized a bit for the games he missed due to injury? I'm not disagreeing with you guys just wanted to know your opinion on it. Speaking of injuries... Anyone see Nash playing the other day. He got injured again although this time it was his ankle, but they showed a close up of him saying to a trainer "My back!". I think he needs to just hang up the sneakers. I know he wants to keep playing and he's doing everything in his power to stay in shape. However there is a difference between being in shape and being injury free, and his body just can't do it anymore, it just can take that grind anymore. I believe he's going to retire after this season.
All Bullshit & DHoward/Beverley BICKERING Aside, You DO Know your Team Well & HAVE for as Looooooooooong as there's Been Hoop Threads on Fightbeat...& Your Salary Cap Posts from a Couple Weeks Ago were VERY Entertaining... REED:hut:
He'd Probably Be the Best Center in the League Still, but he WOULD NOT Score 100pts in a Game OR Average 50 for a Season...He WOULDN'T Average 20+ Rebounds Either... Wilt Chamberlain was BEFORE his Time, Particularly in Regards to SIZE...@ BEST, Wilt Would Be PRIME Shaquille O'Neal, if he Played in Today's Era... REED:kidcool:
Chamberlain was a better rebounder than O'Neal. He'd average 20 boards in today's nba. And 30 pts. Dunno about 100 points but Robinson scored 70 and he was nowhere near as good
Shaq would beat chamberlain up on the inside tho. If shaq was around in Chamberlain's time, he would like John Coffey walking the mile.
There's Actually OTHER 7 Footers Around in Modern Day NBA, Neil...Saying Wilt would AVERAGE 20 Boards in Modern Day NBA is Completely Overlooking the INSANE SIZE ADVANTAGE he Had Over EVERYBODY in the League, Back Then...REED will Concede Wilt Would Still LEAD the League in Boards, but it would Take a SINGULAR MINDED Specialist, like Rodman for Example, to AVERAGE 20 Boards Today... The ENERGY it Takes to Average 20 Boards would SAP Wilt's Shotblocking & Scoring Effectiveness...Again, he WOULDN'T Be Banging w/6'8, 210 Pound Guys who'd BARELY Be PF's Today... & Yeah, David Robinson Scored 70, but that was in the FINAL Game of the Season, they were Playing a SHITTY Team (if REED's Not Mistaken) & the Spurs WANTED him to Win the Scoring Title that Year...Unless Wilt Morphed into a 3pt Shooter, there's NOfuckingCHANCE of him Scoring 100 in Today's NBA... REED:hammert:
Yep, Shaq Puts Up EQUAL #'s to Wilt, if he Played Back Then...& It's CRIMINAL What Jordan Would've Done in Wilt's Era... REED:elmo:
Chamberlain was a unique athlete. More active and never out of shape like O'Neal. Yes there are more taller guys around but most are bums and it waters down the amount of times u face the legit guys.
Prime Shaq would be worse too in this era. Shaq in fact was one of the guys that ruined it for a lot of the centers. The first thing they did to stop Shaq was revamp the rules regarding off-ball defense so more pseudo-zones were allowed and you can stop the post entry much better. The second thing they did was basically utterly take away the power part of the game away by making even the slightest usage of the shoulder or any attempt to dislodge the defender an offensive foul....I rarely see big players score on little guys if they are more than 8 feet away because the slightest backdown the guy will flop and they call a charge. The third thing was Shaq's presence alone created a renaissance for the position and created this era of monstrous, bruising centers that do little else than score bunnies and hold position in the post. Almost all of the Centers in today's league are 260+ pounds which makes scoring inside a chore. I don't dismiss Wilt as a basketball player because watching the tape he's probably even more of a freaky, bouncy type of athlete than even DeAndre Jordan and JeVale McGee and even Robinson...he could catch a layup with two hands well above the rim. He also had not too bad of a shooting touch inside 10 feet or so. I just dismiss his records because of era inflation and the fact that many of his scoring records were intentionally statpadded on bottomfeeder teams. The year Chamberlain scored 50 PPG, they had the worst defense in the league. Now how the HELL could a team in THAT era with WILT CHAMBERLAIN be a terrible defensive team? Anecdotally, the games were said to be like Globetrotter exhibitions with the games basically designed to see Wilt score a lot....that's why to me those records are trash.
Went back and looked at the archives. The Warriors in the 50 PPG season played at an astounding 132 Pace rate...1st in the league but shockingly not by much with Boston at 131 and Cuse at 130. By comparison the Showtime Lakers played around 8th in the league or so with a 103 pace rate for most of the run Oklahoma City plays at a pace rate of 95 9th in the league in this extremely slow era. And of course Phil Jackson's triangle offense is a snail, and the Bulls routinely were last in the league in pace in a fairly fast era....they huddled around 92-93 pace. The Pace in the 60s was mostly due to the extremely poor coaching and guard play. It really is the closest thing you'll see to deadball era baseball in terms of how antiquated it is.
Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team. The number is actually simple. Jordan's 92 Bulls had an estimated 3 less possessions than this season's OKC squad...10 less than Showtime Lakers and 40 less possessions than Wilt's Warriors. When you put it in that perspective it's basically like the Warriors were playing 5 quarters compared to the Bulls.
Thanks bro, you know your shit too, I'll never mind talking hoops with ya, even if it's a disagreement, just no * next to the Rocket's titles and we are good :rock1:
Probably a Direct Result of REBOUNDING... Boards = POSSESSIONS...When a Team has a Guy AVERAGING 25+ Boards PER Game, it Makes Sense they'd Have More Possessions... REED:hammert:
Pace tracks the possessions of both teams in the game. So it is essentially a measure of how fast teams are playing. The 60s were defined by a massive amount of shot attempts compared to any later era.
A record is a record, Wilt's record is the record IMO. There were less teams back then (8) & more A-list players, so Wilt (for example) went up against Bill Russell regularly. Wilt was more athletic than Shaq.. plus, being Shaq is nothing to be ashamed of anyway
I dont think Wilt is more Athletic than Shaq. Shaq was quicker than wilt on the inside. Shaq was an amazing specimen. He would beat Wilt up royally on the inside.
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:atu: The 60s was a joke. The best guard from that era couldn't even dribble the ball with his left hand. NBA players made barely more money than a foreman at this point and it wasn't attracting quality athletes due to low level popularity. The playground legend myths is basically predicated around the idea that people justifiably didn't consider the NBA a financially lucrative or viable career so guys like Earl Manigault sold drugs instead. Basketball was just a way for really big people to get scholarships at this point. It's as ridiculous as someone bringing up the amazing stats of Pud Galvin and all the other 5'6 80 mph spitball throwers in the late 1800s and comparing him to Pedro Martinez. :laughing:
Still, Wilt's PRIME was in the 60's, Dude... Modern Era Players are BIGGER, STRONGER, TALLER, More ATHLETIC & there's More OF These Bigger, Stronger, Taller, More Athletic Guys, than there was in the 60's...There's Simply NO Getting Around That... Wilt's a DOMINANT, Hall of Fame Center in ANY Era, but his #'s & Records are CLEARLY a Result of the ERA he Played In... REED:hammert:
Wilt Could Get Up & Down the Floor QUICKER & was a Better LEAPER...He as More Athletic than Shaq for Certain... Having Said That, Shaq was BULKIER, as Tall & STRONGER... Wilt Chamberlain Never, EVER Played Against a BIGGER, TALLER, STRONGER Guy, so it's VERY Presumptuous of Fans, (Mostly Old Farts) to Think he'd Be the SAME Guy in Today's NBA... He WOULDN'T... REED:hammert:
Only because Shaq half-assed it so much especially in the regular season. Aren't you an LA guy? That should be considered some sort of blasphemy given he carried your hero Kobe to three rings. Prime Shaq's playoffs numbers are cartoonish and the only person I've seen that can be compared reasonably to Jordan. Shaq scored 30 points per game one series and shot a whopping 60 percent from the floor. In the first two titles with LA he averaged 30 and 15 off of MID 50s shooting from the floor. Shaq was always completely unstoppable when he wanted to be. The problem is injuries and the fact that he didn't have the greatest work ethic and sometimes felt unimportant games were beneath him. Kobe just took some shots at him in the media recently saying "I couldn't believe how lazy he was".
