Predictably, You ALTER the Criteria @ Your Convenience... Initially, Your Point Was WHO LOST THE GAME, Wasn't It???...Well, Up Until Jordan Actually WON More Rings than Isiah, All YOU Could Go By was Head to Head Playoff Matchups, Which Jordan STILL Comes Out on the ASS End Of, To this Very Day...But Even w/THAT Being Said, Bron has MORE Rings than Steph, Doesn't He???...And the NEXT Finals MVP Steph Wins, Will Be His 1st...Bron's ALREADY Got 2 of Those Also...By YOUR Rationale, the Absolute BEST Curry Can Do is EQUAL Bron, Even After This Series... So WHY Should 1 Series Win or Even a Win to Begin Another Series Matter???...Can't Burn the Candle from BOTH Ends... Either Way You Slice it, Your Logic ISN'T Sound, Brother MUZSE...But REED Is Familiar w/Your Contempt for Bron, so he's Not Tripping... REED:hammert:
Why pass it to a guy that clearly didn't want it? JR has never been shy to shoot but tonight he was playing in a fog. If he wanted the ball he would have gotten tha ball.
green? igoudala and livingston played better than him. james and irving need to play better. some crucial turnovers from james
As far as superstars go? Nah, Chris Paul is the most overrated superstar in league history. Calling Barkley overrated is absurd. Chuck woulda easily won a ring in 93, had Jordan not put up the best finals series in history. It's fashionable to say now cause he's just a fat buffoon who we all laugh at now, but late 80s, early-to-mid 90s Barkley was a phenomenal player.
40 5-11 2-6 4-4 0 11 11 7 4 1 3 1 +17 16 The statline doesnt even do Green justice even how absurd it was. Green was fantastic at the rim tonight defensively.
Dream and Barkley were Early to Mid 90's Greats, Primarily, in Terms of Their PRIMES...When Isiah's Pistons were Repeatedly Kicking Jordan's Bulls Ass in the Playoffs, Dream and Barkley WERE NOT Quite Held in the Same Regard as Thomas.... They EVENTUALLY Got There, and Beyond, but Categorically WERE NOT During The Bad Boys 3 Year Run of NBA Finals...Nice TRY Though... To Say Isiah Thomas was NEVER a Top 5 Player in the League is Straight Up IG'Nant, Homey... REED:hammert:
He played an important defensive position and somehow managed to make every team he played on defensively worse. Offensive juggernaut, yeah whatever. Didn't defend at all. He really hurt the Sixers franchise because of that.
Nope. Untrue. Barkley and Dream were beasts in the late 80s, they simply didn't peak until the early-to-mid 90s. Isiah Thomas is overrated, overall. His killer instinct and ability to rise to the occasion in big games is NOT overrated though. He was indeed a prime time performer. Never as good as Dream or Chuck though.
Brother REED, please school Brother X on the history of the game. Educate brother X on one of the great NBA final games in history that Zeke had, when on a severely sprained ankle he scored 43pts, 8ast and 6steals against the Lakers in game 6. If Zeke didn't fuck up his angle the Pistons would have been 3 for 3 in finals appearances. Curry has never shown that kind of grit yet...
Barkley wasn't a horrible defender. I'd say mediocre is more fitting. He damn sure wasn't a Duncan or Hakeem caliber defender, but he wasn't James Harden/Steve Nash bad either. He was a better defender than Dirk. In that way, I guess Dirk and Charles are in a similar boat. Two mediocre defenders, yet so awesome as scorers that you can excuse the D. Only difference, Dirk won a ring. But Dirk didn't have to go up against prime Mike... he went up against choking ass Queen James.
Also that 93 Suns team was awesome. They had Cedric Ceballos on the bench, a near HOF quality PG. Dan Majerle. It wasn't just Barkley carrying.
I'm WELL VERSED on the history of the game, Tap. And did I not just admit that Thomas was a prime time performer? Doesn't mean that he's NOT overrated.
You and Tap sound like old men yelling at clouds. It's cool to be nostalgic and all, but Stephen Curry is better than Thomas was. I loved the 80s too, and nostalgia wants me to believe that Dominique was better than Durant, but I know that's not true either.
I don't see how hes even comparable to Dirk. Like I said, the Sixers had just won a ring and were one of if not the best defensive teams in the league. When Barkley came in, Moses and Dr J passed the torch to Chuck and suddenly the team wasnt even an average defensive team any longer. Im a huge proponent in big men absolutely needing to be plus defenders to be successful in the league, and that's one of the few things that's been era consistent. The thing about Phoenix is they were ALREADY super good even before Barkley got there. Then after that year where Barkley had the best year of his career, the Suns suddenly regress again to below league average defensive team. It was super consistent with Barkley. Nearly any team he went on went to to garbage bin defensively and it's ultimately why he never won a championship despite being on super talented teams. Dirk is not comparable, by the time Dirk was in his late 20s and thirties he had actually risen to average defense, particularly when playing with a guy like Chandler who could hide him a bit.
Imagine Zeke playing today, with no hand checking, no physical play, no big men clogging up the middle? This small ball style of play would have been tailor made for him. Zeke would be killing these guys more so now than he did back then.
Thomas would be league's 2nd best PG today. He was a much better decision maker and defender than West-dumb-as-a-brick.
Heres a number for you. In Barkelys entire 16 year career, that finals Suns team was the only team he was ever on that was a top 10 defensive team in the league. And they were just 9th. On the other hand, about 2-3 times Barkley's teams finished among the bottom 3 defensive teams in his career. As I said, horrible defensive player. Not only did he lack the size to be a good defender, he made no effort on that end and actively stated e used it to rest. I have no respect for any player, let alone a big man who doesn't take the defensive end of the floor seriously.
Kevin Johnson in his brief prime was better than Thomas. Shame injuries robbed him. Johnson when he was on was one of the most unstoppable pg's the league has ever had.
I'd say he was. Simply doesn't have the rings or team success as Zeke, nor the durability. But when healthy? Put it this way... give Kevin Johnson the durability and longevity of say, John Stockton, and you're looking at a top 3 all time pg. Johnson was a HELLUVA lot better than Chris Paul, THAT I know!
Lol. Yeeeaaaa, ok. Replace Paul with Thomas and the Clips don't blow a 3-1 lead on the Rockets. Chris Paul is a loser. He's a media darling, so that will never be admitted, but Paul simply can't elevate a team when it matters.
You are greatly underestimating how much better Thomas' teams were than Paul's. You also are probably one of those guys who thinks Blake Griffin is a star player.
