::::NBA:::: 2016-2017-2018 Season

How is calling Curry the best three point shooter ever overrating him? The guy owns every meaningful three point record that's existed since the three point inception.

 

REED, name 10 PG's in history who you'd rather have over Curry.

 

Id take a younger howard over webber at his best. before the back injury. his impact on the game defensively outweighed what webber brung to the table to me

 

Well I called it, and just a few hours prior too. Freaking media is so damn predictable.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...en-state-warriors-blame-my-slump-kevin-durant

 

Depends on the Makeup of the Team...

REED Doesn't See Howard Leading Sacramento to a Title, Nor Does REED See CWebb Leading Howard's Championship Team PAST Kobe's Lakers...

However, REED Thinks Webb Would've Fit Better WITH Kobe and Harden than Howard Did...And REED Can't See Howard Being a BETTER Fit On ANY Team Webb Played On...




REED:hammert:

 

By the time Howard got to the Lakers and rockets his best days were in the rear view

 

So You're Basing Your Opinion on the 8 Years Howard Spent in Orlando...Webber Had 10-12 STRONG Seasons...

Add LONGEVITY to his List of Advantages...He was Never CANCEROUS to his Team, Either...



REED:hammert:

 

I really don't know. Do you? I know I only had to bring up a few seasons of Ray's career to bring up several 0 for 10, 1 for 14, 1 for 12 nights.

Curry has had them, and will continue to have them to. They both made up for it by having nights similar to the one Curry had last night. It's the nature of the beast for players like those guys.

 

True, the Fab Five Generated HYPE, but that Turned to HATE Pretty Quickly...

MANY Writers and Coaches Harbored a GRUDGE Against the Fab Five THRU Chris Webber...Dude Only Has 5 All Star Appearances and a Hand Full of All NBA Inclusions Because he was SHAMELESSLY Left Off Many Times, Due to "Off the Court" Shit that Would Usually DISAPPEAR...Or they Didn't Like his Post Dunk Antics...The 1 Time Christian Laettner was an NBA All Star was @ the EXPENSE Of Chris Webber...That's a Fucking JOKE...

Chris Webber was GOOD Enough to Be on the Select Team that BEAT the Original Dream Team in a Scrimmage, yet they NEVER Saw Fit to Allow Webb to Represent his Country in the Olympics???...Derrick Coleman, Larry Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Vin Baker, Shareef Abdur Rahim, Antonio McDyess and Other INFERIOR Forwards Got to Represent the U.S. in International Competition, but NOT Chris Webber???...

That's the Level of BIAS and BACKLASH he Received, In Addition to Having his Career Dissected w/Fine Toothed Comb...

REED's Already Elaborated on Webber's OFFENSIVE Advantages, but he was Also More of a TEAM Guy Too...For All the MEDIA Flack Webber Received, ALL of his Teammates ADORED him...By Comparison, Dwight Howard is Among the More HATED Players (by the Players) to EVER Play...

Despite his Injuries, Webber Had More LONGEVITY than Howard Too...





REED:hammert:

 

Ok, I'll leave it at this:

If I have a team that already has an established superstar go-to guy, like a Kobe, Wade, Bron, then I'd rather have Webber. Those guys could take away the offensive burden that Webber wasn't good enough to carry, and could maximize his strengths as a facilitator and secondary scorer. And yes, we can agree, he's a better teammate than Howard.

If I have a team of scrubs, and I'm looking for a centerpiece to elevate them, I pick Howard. He was good enough to anchor a good team defense, and win games.

NEITHER one would be my first choice to start a franchise. Both were too flawed. However, I feel Howard peaked higher.

 

Longevity has nothing to do with who was better. I measure players by their apexes.

Duncan had superior longevity to Shaq. But both at their absolute peaks, Shaq was better.

Hell, Kobe had waaayyyyy better longevity than Wade. But one could argue that Wade at his absolute apex in 09 was every bit as good as Kobe if not a bit better.

I value prime over longevity in any sport. Floyd beats out Roy in longevity. But we all know who was better prime for prime.

 

If the Dubs never landed Durant, this past-prime Howard should have replaced Bogut, with some 3 and D guy replacing Barnes

 

If Longevity has NATHAN to Do w/It, Derrick Rose and Penny Hardaway are 2 of the Best PG's EVER...And Grant Hill's One of the Best Players EVER, Regardless of Position...







REED:hammert:

 

Which guy would you rather have on your team on a 10 year contract? Derrick Rose or Jason Kidd?

 

All three of those statements are exaggerations. Well, two of them - there's truth in the Penny statement.

Derrick Rose, even in his MVP season, wouldn't be the best PG NOW let alone of all time.

Rose is the consensus weakest MVP of all time.

Curry and Westbrook are both currently playing at a higher level than Rose ever did, even in his MVP season.

Penny was a beast, and for my money prime Penny was a lot better than Rose. I have NO DOUBT that had Penny not gotten hurt he woulda gone down as a top 5-10 all time PG. He was a fantastic player when he was on.

Grant Hill was also a beast, but Grant Hill is very romanticized. I've heard people say some retarded shit, like had Hill not gotten injured he woulda been better than Lebron. That's absurd. Truthfully, he wasn't on some top 10 all time trajectory.

Grant Hill was a more talented Pippen. Actually, not as good a defender as Pippen, but definitely a better scorer. He was BEAUTIFUL to watch, but he was never gonna sniff guys like Mike, Lebron, or even Bryant.

 

You'd have to be more specific. Are we going by what we ALREADY KNOW about their durability, or are we assuming that Rose never gets hurt?

 

Former Blue Devil, Jason Williams

 

Funny thing I'm surprised the media outlets missed or didn't jump on. With how much was made about how Westbrook and Durant seemed to ignore each other during the Warriors - Thunder pregame, it was telling how enthusiastically Westbrook greeted ex teammate Dion Waters during the Thunder - Heat pregame.

 

dion waiters is on the heat?

 

Yep he had an opt in for his contract at his cap hold (which is basically another year at his rookie pay) but he didn't take it because he was testing the market hoping some team would sign him and give him a raise. He let it sit too long and the Thunder eventually pulled the option off the table because they decided to give Westbrook a raise just like the one James Harden received. So I think he got like 2 million to play for the Heat with an opt out after this season.

He'll probably go through the same thing next year because he just doesn't seem to be good enough to get much interest from other teams. He's already a very good three point shooter, so I think if he concentrated on defense and rebounding instead of trying to be a great scorer, he'd have a better shot of making some decent money. Five years in the league should let him know that being a big scorer is just not going to happen for him.

 

Clips really know how to decimate teams, beating Portland by 40+

 

Demar DeRozan has been playing out his mind.

 

Would you trade Zingis for him?

 

southern california running shit in the NBA right now

 

Absolutely not.

Zingis is 21 years old, and will almost certainly be a better player than DeRozan when he enters his prime 3-4 years from now.

DeRozan's on a hot streak, that's all. A very impressive hot streak, but he'll come back to Earth and return to his good-but-not great self.

If the Knicks could grab a franchise player like Curry, KD, Harden, Davis, ect then Hell yeah give up Zingis.

But Demar isn't a franchise player.

 

Dame Lillard is playing out of his mind so far this year.

 

A lot of these youngsters I hoop with seem to think golden state will deal klay Thompson. Bob Myers put that rumor to rest. No way it happens this season. Maybe after a post season failure, even then I'm skeptical

 

After a somewhat slow start, Curry/Durant are starting to mesh very well, which means bad news for the league.

KD seems more comfortable not having to be the #1 option.

I know the media was trying to debate who's the "the man" on Golden State, but I don't think it's a debate. It's Steph Curry's team. Durant is Robin, and he's totally cool with that. They'll be night's where he leads the team in scoring, but he realizes that he's 2nd fiddle to Curry, and I'm pretty sure that's what he wanted.

KD wasn't born with the Jordan/Kobe desire to be an alpha. It's almost like he'd rather be a sidekick.

 

how did you come to gather this about durant/curry and who is the man and who is the alleged side kick? ::

 

Mainly because Steph Curry is the better player, and he's the face of the franchise who transformed them from perennial fighting for a playoff spot to perennial championship contenders.

Durant hasn't been the undisputed "man" on a team since his MVP year when he carried OKC to the WCF.

In 2015 he was injured, and last year there was huge debate between who was the man on OKC between him and Russ.

Steph Curry is very disliked right now, backlash because of all the hype he got last year and failing to deliver a championship.

But make NO mistake, Curry is the still the second best player in the league behind Lebron.

I'd still place KD at 3, but it's close.

After that, it's a huge debate as who's better outta Westbrook, Harden, and Leonard.

Some people have Anthony Davis top 5, but not me... until he does something to elevate that team to be more than horrible.