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    Ask Carl Herrera if Madmax was crazy or not when Max tried to fucking kill him with a dumbell.
     
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    They will make the playoffs, Sac is too far back. I agree OKC is a 1st round exit, their best chance is vs Blazers & Nuggets. I'm not sold on the Nuggets yet as a playoff team and the Blazers just aren't the same team without Nucic.
     
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    meaning this may have happened if he stayed in the east as well. getting hurt, missing a chunk of the season and playing with a group of gutless underachievers.
     
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    Russ does not tell his teammates to box out for him, PG took a rebound just yesterday that was right by Russ. That’s a myth that haters who don’t watch the team play use over and over. Steven Adams boxes out so teammates can get rebounds but he does it because he’s an unselfish player who doesn’t care about stats, not because Westbrook told him to. Westbrook is a great rebounding guard plan and simple he also has a nose for the ball. I’ve seen several instances where he’ll be under the rim with players twice his size and still outrebound them. It’s hypocritical for people to say he plays harder than nearly everyone in the league but then chalk his stats up to stat hoarding, especially when it comes to rebounds. Tell me he’s missing defensive rotations or getting beat on back cuts because he’s watching where the ball is going but don’t give me any crap about his teammates giving up rebounds for him because it’s simply not true.

    Also if going after rebounds is stat chasing, then everyone in the league is guilty because everyone tries to get rebounds. It’d be like me saying Harden is a stat chaser because he keeps putting up all those points. So when everyone singles Westbrook out for going after rebounds it comes off like nothing but hate.
     
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    Wasn't that the story on last year's Cavs that made the finals? It was the worst group he's dragged to the finals since his first finals in Cleveland? They redid the roster TWICE last season for him.
     
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    Oscar Robertson did not instruct his teammates to box out for him so he could get his 10 rebounds. RW does, and will even steal a rebound from a teammate if need be. His triple doubles are manufactured, it's now a well known fact & is why no one even gives a shit about them anymore.

    Athletic? Why would that even matter? Touting his athletisim just means he's going to fall off quick, he'll it's happening now. Why? Because he is the same exact inefficient player he has always been.

    Aww, had never played PG before? Either did Harden in 2016, when he lead the league in assists (11.2) Makes that "argument" a joke.

    Are you saying WB has improved since his rookie year? What a revalation. In the past let's say, 7-8 years, name one thing besides stealing rebounds that he's improved on.

    The NBA is running a train on WB, Rubio was just an example when WB got his feelings hurt & felt the need to "lock down" Rubio. WB doesn't care about playing defense anymore, he will even leave his man to pursue those much needed rebounds. SMH.

    Oh you misquoted me big time, another sign that you know deep down WB is trash. Harden baits sucker ass players from reaching in and hitting his arms while taking it in to the rack, which is a foul, is it not?

    Dorky ass stats? You mean the stats every NBA front office use these days? They are called advanced stats and analytics, and because people like you and WB don't know anything about them have is why you got that confused look on your face when you see WB & team currently the 8th seed.

    WB is the 392 in TS%. I'm not mathmatical genius, but I have a feeling that means stop shooting so fucking much.

    If WB was a Rocket I'd put a bullet in my head.[/QUOTE]
    Neither Does Westbrook, No Matter HOW Many Times You Parrot This Lame, UNFOUNDED Bullshit..."Well Known Fact" to WHOM?...

    Along w/Being Arguably THE Most Athletic PG in League History Westbrook is Among THE Best Rebounding PG's in League History...Even 5-6 Years Ago He was Good for 6-7 Boards PER Game, So the Idea of an Athletic Guy Needing to "Manufacture" an Additional 3-4 Rebounds is WISHFUL THINKING of a Hater, No More, No Less...

    It Couldn't POSSIBLY Be the Absence of Durant's 7-8 Boards a Game Leading to MORE Opportunities, Nah. It MUST Be Manufactured...

    Only Motherfucker that HATES on Russ Worse than You is that Racist Prick Who Got a Lifetime Ban from Jazz Games....Did he Diss You During a Selfie Request or Something?

    Not that You've Actually LOOKED, but There's Been Improvements to Westbrook's Shooting % Since the Beginning of his Career...Ditto for Increases in Assists and Boards...

    It's QUITE Ironic Hearing a James Harden Apologist Bitching About Somebody Else's LACK of Defense...Who's MORE Likely to Make a Game Winning Defensive Play, Harden or Westbrook? You ALREADY Know the Answer to That, So Shut the Fuck Up....

    REED Didn't Misquote Shit...You Didn't Say Shit about Harden Baiting "Sucker Ass Players", You Said he FORCED his FOREARM Into Defenders to Draw Fouls. You KNOW You Said It...The Fact Motherfuckers Started Guarding Harden w/their Hands BEHIND their Backs is PROOF of This GIMMICKY Ass Shit he Pulls, Shit YOU Would Vehemently Complain About if the Motherfucker Played for ANY Other Squad but Your Own....

    Spare REED Your "GM Talk" Bruh...Who Could Forget How You Used to PLAY Yourself on Some WANNABE Insider Ass Shit, Making Salary Cap and Free Agency Predictions That RARELY Panned Out...Not Sure Who the Bigger Tool Was in that Instance, You Or Your (LESS Than) "Credible" Source....

    If Westbrook was a Rocket You'd Put a Bullet in your Brain.....and Have Yourself Buried in a # 0 Jersey....That's How Much of a Fairweather, Fickle Ass Fan You Are....You NEVER 1nce Spoke Glowingly of Harden UNTIL he Joined the Rockets, Now Y0u're Wearing Cologne Mimicking the Fragrance of his Nuts...






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    Why Would REED Ask Carl Herrera When Max HIMSELF Acknowledged Dream Slapping the Shit Out of Him and Doing Absolutely NATHAN About It???...

    He's CONVENIENTLY Crazy, Like REED Said...But Since he's a Houston Rocket, You're Overblowing WHO Max Really Is...







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    Yes, Because the Young Butthurt Ego's Haven't Held Up THEIR End of the Bargain...

    This Will Be The 6th CONSECUTIVE Season the Lakers Have MISSED the Playoffs Muzse...Yet They were the 4th Seed in the West UNTIL Bron Missed the Next 18 Games...

    Believe it or Not, Jordan, Kobe and Others Had SUB-.500 Seasons Also...It Happens...







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    REED Can Already See Where Muzse is Going w/This...

    He's Convinced HIMSELF There Wasn't 4 Other Guys on the Floor w/Bron as the Lakers Once Again Missed the Playoffs...






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    It's as ABSURD a Basketball Statement as REED's Ever Heard...Up There w/Silent Night, Queen of the Analytics, Claiming Rebounding Was an OVERRATED Stat and Kyrie Irving WASN'T a Good Basketball Player....

    Russell Westbrook's ALWAYS Rebounded Well for his Position...

    But Consider the Source; TexMex Can't Speak Intelligently About Basketball BEYOND the Houston Rockets....






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    Yes, Because Isiah Thomas DESTROYED the Locker Room, Necessitating the Team Be Blown Up...






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    That's not true. I thought the Lakers would be much better than they were. I looked forward to watching them play. I LIKE Kuzma and thought Ball learning under Rondo would be a huge assist in Ball's development. You're correct though in the butthurt aspect. They need to get over that shit.

    The one thing I can't shake is the possibility the younger guys reacted like the Wizards when a 40 year old Jordan came back. For the record, that's when Michael missed the playoffs for the first time in a decade or more. He was retired for three years then came back.

    I wonder how much those guys really respect LeBron at this point. Initially the younger Wizards looked up to Jordan but when Mike started that domineering crap he used with the Bulls they tuned him out and hated his ass. Can't help but wonder if some of that has happened in the Laker locker room after the stories of ALL of them on the block for one guy.

    If I had my pick of who to keep I'd keep Kuzma above Ball and Ingram. Ball can't stay healthy and Ingram has shown flashes but there seems to be something missing from his game. Kuzma is the dog in the group. he can be streaky but he can defend when he choses to.
     
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    Could Be Something to That....REED's NEVER Liked Bron's Passive-Aggressive Form of Leadership...

    He SHUNNED Kevin Love During Love's Early Cleveland Days, Lowkey Shunned Chris Bosh in Miami, by Doing Tag Team Press Conferences w/DWade (Leaving Bosh Alone on an Island), BLATANTLY Shunned JR Smith After Dribbling Out the Clock in Game 1 of the Finals (Literally NEVER Said Another Word to the Man) and Shunned His Laker Teammates When the Anthony Davis Trade Seemed Imminent...Even Sitting SEVERAL Seats Away from the Rest of the Team During a Particular Game...

    On the Flipside, Bron's Kissed DWade's Ass to a Fault, Bought Suits for the Entire Team to Wear on a Road Trip, Gathered the Troops for Mock Camera Poses, Pre-Game Rituals, Dances, etc...

    Part of the Reason Isiah Thomas RUINED Cleveland's Locker Room is Because He Came In from Day 1 Saying Him and LeBron were On the SAME LEVEL, BOTH LEADERS, and Bron Didn't Say or Do Shit About It...

    All That Said, Bron's a Straight Up BITCH When it Comes to Coaches...A Certified Coach KILLER...He TRIED to Get Spoelstra Ran Out of Miami, but DWade and Pat Riley WEREN'T Having It...Never 1nce Gave David Blatt a CHANCE to Coach Him, Ditto for Luke Walton...

    LeBron's a GOOD Dude @ the Core, but He's Got Some Bitch Tendencies Undoubtedly...






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    agREED.

    If you're a young guy, lottery pick and you've been the alpha since grade school, now you're playing with a guy who basically said he can't win with you...would give up ALL of you for one dude. That falls through now it's "us" again? Can't see how well that goes over with anyone.

    What you said about him buying suits etc for previous teams I get; "HOWEVER" those guys knew their place and accepted him as the guy. Two years ago Magic was telling Lonzo he's the face of the franchise. A year before that he's telling Ingram the same thing. Kuzma is a late 1st round pick and outplays both of them. Then here comes Bron.

    Probably should have seen it coming with what happened with Kyrie in Cleveland. If he knew for certain Bron was coming back I wonder if he would have signed that extension. He left $50 million on the table to get out of Cleveland when he caught wind Bron was ok with trading him.

    Seems like the guys Bron's most loyal to are the ones who look up to him the most. Not the ones who want to look him in the eye.
     
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    I disagree he’s a good guy at his core. There’s to much evidence that he’s a prick with zero self awareness who only cares about himself. The coach killing aspect for instance, the refusal to take responsibility when things go bad by showing up teammates on the court with negative reactions even though everyone in the stadium can clearly see he is the one who missed the defensive rotation. By coming to his finals elimination press conference with a cast on his hand to try to convince everyone he lost but keep in mind, he was injured. Just a few days ago his team having his physical therapist put out how Lebron came back earlier from his groin injury than he had to/should have.

    But the biggest indictment that this guy is a piece of shit with no loyalty is his betrayal to D Wade. By not letting D Wade know he was leaving Miami for Cleveland, Wade wound up opting out of his contract and lost about 5 million dollars. It led to Wade going to Chicago which turned out to be a wasted hit to his legacy and ruining his chance to finish his career having only played for one franchise. Why Wade stays friends with that guy when he sees how he treats others is beyond me. I’ll bet Lebron only does all his philanthropy just to boost his public image because I personally believe all he cares about is himself.
     
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    REED Doesn't Recall the DWade Thing Playing Out Quite Like That...

    @ Least Publicly, Wade's Always Spoken Like he KNEW Bron was Going Back Home Once his Miami Contract Ended...And To This Day, Wade/Gabrielle Still Vacation w/Bron and His Wife...From Wade's Perspective, Once he Knew Bron was Leaving he KNEW Miami Had More Money @ its Disposal, So he Opted Out...Pat Riley Wasn't Willing to Up the Ante, so Wade Went to Chicago, Then Cleveland...

    Bron's VERY Genuine About his Philanthropy...This Ain't Michael Jordan Who's Doing Good Deeds NOW, Feeling the Pressure of What Bron's Doing...Bron's Worn the 'Just a Kid from Akron' Thing On his Sleeve Since Entering the League...And He's Spoken @ LENGTH To None Other than Jim Brown On HOW to Utilize His Platform for Positive Social Change...Please Believe, Jim Brown Would PUBLICLY EXPOSE Bron if His Charitable Deeds DIDN'T Come from a Good Place...Jim Brown's NEVER Shied Away from Chastising Jordan in This Vein...

    You Don't BUILD A SCHOOL, Giving Away Bikes, Free Meals, GUARANTEED COLLEGE TUITION, GED Classes and Job Placement for Parents Just to Boost Your Public Image Bruh...A Sizable Donation Would've Served That Purpose...

    You're Right about LeBron James the Basketball Player, but the MAN Is a Genuinely Good Dude in REED's Opinion...One of Bron's Closer Friends Couldn't Leave the Street Life Alone, But Instead of Kicking Him to the Curb, Bron Gave the Dude $50k-$1000k THEN Kicked Him to the Curb...One Last Solid for a Friend...







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    Props to Zion Williamson and Duke for Providing ARGUABLY THE Most Consistently Entertaining Brand of College Hoop REED's Seen Since Michigan's Fab 5...

    Sucked Watching Zion's College Career End Sunday, But He's Undeniably THAT Dude...REED Would Even Say Zion Surpassed Ben Simmons as THE Best Pro Prospect Since LeBron James...

    Dude Could FOR REAL Be THE Best Player in the NBA, 5 Years from Now...





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    Not much interest left in the tournament for me

    I agree about the potential of Williamson, if only barrett and his coach realized the guy needed the ball in crunch time

    Williamson was positioned for that rebound if baretts second free throw didnt bounce in the basket
     
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    He and Barrett shot 52% from the free throw line in the last 2 minutes of games. He would have gotten fouled as well.

    I hope Williamson develops his game. He'll be an exciting player in the NBA, but I'm not sold on him being a dominant player or the best player in the NBA. He reminds me of Wayman Tisdale and/or JR Reid when they got to the league. Both seemed like can't miss prospects, neither translated well.

    Perhaps he can refine his game like Blake Griffin has. If Zion relies on athletic ability alone, the minute that's gone he's done.
     
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    wow. tisdale was left handed, other than that i see no comparison with williamson. williamson is not a giant pussy like griffin, so he has the potential to be elite.

    he reminds me of a bigger, longer, super sized larry johnson.
     
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    agREED…

    No Interest WHATSOEVER in the Rest of the Tournament...Not Saying REED Won't Watch Anymore of it, but he Certainly Won't Plan his Schedule AROUND the Final 4, the Way he Did for Zion's Games...

    Barrett's Been Taking ILL ADVISED Shots Late in Games All Season...You Can Almost SEE Him Competing w/Zion @ Times...If/When Zion Made a Highlight Reel Play, Best Believe RJ Was Taking the Very Next Shot or 2...& Just as he Did in Duke's Early Season Loss to Gonzaga, RJ Forced the Rock Into 2-3 Defenders Late vs. Michigan State...

    REED Sees Barrett as a Carmelo Anthony, Big Dog Robinson, Jabari Parker Type @ Most...Melo's his CEILING...REED Watched 15-20 Duke Games This Season, Start to Finish...Barrett's Stats, Which Look Great On Paper, DON'T Match his Actual Performance in REED's Opinion...






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    Larry was taller. Once Larry started to have back issues he was no longer a star. A solid NBA player but not what we thought he'd be.

    If Zion doesn't develop a shot he's not going to be a star.
     
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    True, but You Could TELL RJ Was Going to Miss His FT...Wanted NO Parts of the Line @ that Point...Then, the Motherfucker was Tooooo Shoook to MISS Intentionally???...That Should've Counted as 0-2 from the Line Since he TRIED to Miss the 2nd One!:D...

    Barring Injury, Zion WILL Be a Dominant Player Muzse…He'll Be BETTER than Tisdale or Reid were from Day 1...Hell, from Summer League, if he Plays...

    Along w/a FREAKISH Body and Athleticism, Zion Has That "It" Factor ON the Court...The WAY he Defends on the Perimeter and Paint, SPECTACULARLY...He's NOT just an Offensive Highlight Reel Guy, Zion Plays BOTH Ends of the Floor...The FOOTWORK in the Post, his FINISHING Ability (Non-Dunks)...That 3/4 Court, 1 Handed Pass he Made to Jones, for a Layup...

    Peep His Post-Injury Stats Bruh...FT's Need Work for Sure, but Dude was CLEARLY the Best Player on the Floor In EVERY Game, No Close 2nd...Zion Williamson is a BASKETBALL PLAYER w/Absurd Size and Athleticism...280lbs, 40+ Inch Vert WITH A MOTOR!!!..REED Can Only LAUGH @ the Enormity of Zion's Game/Talent...:D:D

    If Not THE Best in the League in 5 Years, He'll EASILY Be Top 5...Barring Injury, of Course...When You Know YOU KNOW!...





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    Yep...

    LJ, Charles Barkley, @ MAX VOLUME...More AFFletic than Both (& BOTH Were VERY Athletic for Their Day) , Better Handles, Better Defensively...




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    Larry was on the SHORT Side of 6'6...Taller Than Barkley, but More Like 6'5ish...We'll See What Zion OFFICIALLY Measures Out @, but REED's Expecting Him to Be a COUPLE Inches Taller than LJ...

    Zion's Shot Needs Work for Sure...Along w/His FT's, There's Not Much Arc on His Jumpers...He Could Afford to Bend His Knees a Bit More....Big, Strong Hoopers Tend to NEGLECT Their Legs While Shooting...





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    Williamson has already cracked the starting five of my all soufpaw squad:

    Domantas Sabonis
    Zion Williamson
    Ben Simmons
    James Harden
    Mike Conley


    deandre jordan
    marvin bagley
    julius randle
    rj barrett
    joe ingles
    goran dragic
    de'angelo Russell
    de'aaron Fox
     
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    Wow. I just watched Detroit vs OKC and I had no idea Blake Griffin was referred the same as James Harden. By that I mean any possible ticky tack foul on him will get called. It’s a complete travesty that one guy on one team can get referred completely differently than everyone else on the court. I was seriously questioning why I watch the sport during that disgraceful episode.
     
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    Umm Carmelo while still a teammate admitted that he steals rebounds.

    Adams admits he boxes out for Russ. You can say "oh Adams don't care about stats," but it's very apparent Russ does.

    He's a "great rebounding guard?" He actually leads the NBA in UNCONTESTED defensive rebounds and is usually last in the NBA in CONTESTED rebounds of anyone averaging 5 or more per game.

    Hell even Zach Levine has also mentioned stealing rebounds like WB.

    WB has boxed out his own teammates for rebounds!

    Is Russ going to be jacking up 40+ shots a game in this year's playoffs too while shooting a horrible percentage?

    Keep taking up for Russ, while in the players poll today voted Russ as most over rated.
     
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    Oh looks like you're upset, guess what, I'm not going to "shut the fuck up." Your boy is straight trash ass player and always has been & always will be. He's improved so much, he's shooting 65% FT and is the what, 400th best shooter in the NBA?

    Sorry you're letting FACTS get you all butthurt, but Melo outright ADMITTED he steals rebounds and Adams outright ADMITTED boxing out for him.

    Harden is the best wing post defender in the NBA. Harden has been #1 or 2 in steals all year. Harden has been #1 or 2 in deflectionss all year. Yeah I'm going to count on Russ "box my own teammate out" for a defensive play.

    I know what the fuck I said, you're grasping at straws at this point. It's your M.O.

    Playing GM? I just passed along what I heard. Like, the Blazers were going to blow up their team, a few weeks later that's exactly what they did. Was that a lucky fucking guess?

    You want to keep going? What are you going to say when Russ's sorry ass is bounced in the 1st round again?

    I'd rather wear the cologne of Harden's nuts than the perfume of Westbrook's stank ass vagina. Especially since his peers just ranked him most over rated & the same just voted Harden MVP.
     
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    Yes he’s a great rebounding guard. I watch the guy every game and most of the stuff you say I don’t see it. Adams isn’t boxing out for Russ, he boxes out the opposing team because that’s what you’re supposed to do. I’ve never seen Russ box out his own teammates and I also know there is no way in hell he’s last in contested rebounds. That is flat out bull because I see the guy grabbing rebounds in traffic all the time. Also if padding your stats motivates someone to get a lot of rebounds then more power to them. You’re seriously going to argue a guy with his energy level and athleticism is incapable of consistently getting his own rebounds, do you know how stupid that sounds?

    I can tell you’re one of those people on Rockets reddit arguing back and fourth over Harden versus Westbrook. Hell most of that bull you’re spouting is probably right off that page. Like I said, you don’t watch OKC games but you got the nerve to claim a bunch of myths and heresay is fact. Oh and by the way OKC is 120+ wins versus only 20+ loses when Russ gets a triple double, so hunting them or not it still equals out to winning basketball.
     
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