New Concept: Throwback Thursday Performance of the Week

Whoaaaa... talk about an insult

 

It's not really an insult.
Both are fuckin retards in their own special way (ditto, the other spineless-ites like steve_dave, Buddy Rydell, Stinker Karl, etc)

Stafford
Loves: Avatar, The Lion King, Legend - The Best of Bob Marley & The Wailers and Muhammad Ali.
Hates: Homosexuals.

Double-barreL-shotgun-to-the-face...well, you know...

 

I doubt it.

Remember, Mike was taught to box by the same man who trained Patterson and Torres, and they too implemented the same peek-a-boo style.

Mike never mentioned being inspired by Frazier.

I think he was much more influenced by Duran, his idol.

 

Sly's the only poster I've ever seen whose boxing knowledge actually regressed.

He knows fuck-all about boxing.

 

Yeah but he's great fun

 

AgNEIGHHHH'd

 

Always loved this performance from Ali.

“What’s my name??!!”

He beat the fuck out of Terrell.

 

I almost forgot, again!

Ok, throwback performance of the week.... Carlos Ortiz vs Battling Torres.

Ortiz at his very best in this fight. Things to notice about this performance:

1. How awesome Ortiz's jab was. He truly had one of the all time great jabs.

2. His footwork. Minimal, not flashy, but flawless and effective. Not the shit you see today from a lot of leap amateurs.

3. How expertly he controls distance.

4. How well he changes levels, and uses feints.

5. How great he was as an infighter.

The man could do it all.

He takes Torres apart in surgeon-like fashion. Torres was young, undefeated, and known as a huge puncher.

BTW, this was one of the very FIRST huge matchups in the Mexico vs Puerto Rico rivalry.

Enjoy:

 

Ortiz was a true master. He was truly a jack of all trades in that ring. The quality of fighters in PR has definitely declined. You no longer see fighters applying the fundamentals and technique the way it used to be.

 

Ortiz was the best PR fighter of all time, IMO

Only real knock was his consistency... but he was like Willie Pep in that department compared to Benitez (who could've been the best PR fighter if he'd put the work in)

 

Of the four PR greats, Trinidad was the only one who lived a clean life and trained like a monster consistently.

Gomez and Benitez both liked to party hard, and Ortiz was supposedly an alchy.

 

I don't think Trinidad was in the class of those three at their best

 

I agree completely that he wasn't, he still deserves to be considered one of the four greats of the Island.

No other PR fighter in history besides those four are true ATG's... although several had the potential to be.

Cotto, for instance, was NOT a great fighter and should not be remembered as one. A very good fighter, but far from great.

The PR list isn't like the Mexico list. In the Mexico top 10, all time 10 guys are ATGs.

 

Trinidad was certainly in the same class as Gomez and Benitez. No question.

 

Yeah, you can romanticize their primes and best nights, but Trinidad’s career kind of shits on theirs.

 

No he wasn't

He was flat out embarrassed in defeats ... one sided losses... and what's his best actual win? Vargas?

He was a guy that was good at beating up second level opponents

Those guys were never dominated and had some great wins

Their best level was clearly beyond Trinidad's

 

Benitez was dominated by Leonard and Hearns in his two biggest fights. Gomez was knocked out by Sanchez and Nelson. The only time a relevant Trinidad was dominated was in his 3rd weight class against one of the greatest middleweights of all time. Gomez just couldn’t handle that massive 4 pound jump. Lol

If Vargas was a “second level opponent” than so were most of their good wins because Vargas was considered a top 10-15 pfp guy and an undefeated champ coming in to that fight.

 

Gomez at superbantam was clearly on a level that Tito was never on. CLEARLY.

Gomez had the best combination of the three - the skillset of Ortiz, defensive reflexes similar to Benitez, and power like Trinidad's.

What separates Gomez from Ortiz is that Ortiz was tougher and beat much better comp.

But as far as having all the tools, Gomez was the best the Island ever produced.

Benitez was the best defensively. Ortiz was the most complete technician. Trinidad was probably the biggest puncher - it's either him or Rosario.

But Gomez was the best overall talent.

 

At no point in his career was Trinidad as good as Gomez was in the Zarate fight.

 

I didn't say VARGAS was a second level opponent

Benitez was not dominated in either of those defeats... Trinidad looked like a fucking confused robot who'd never seen a jab in his losses... utterly embarrassed

Gomez was knocked out in fights where he won rounds and was in the fight... he didn't stand there eating jabs and missing all his shots like a scrub

 

They weren't?

 

How “good” they were is opinion. We can be more objective in appraising their career. Tito was seen as a true #1 pfp contender at his peak. The only speed bump in his ascent was winning a controversial decision over a prime p4p first ballot hof’er. And he was most highly rated after people had seen that happen.

Gomez and Benitez were seen as second best for most of their careers.

 

Nope

Benitez wasn't dominated until he was over the hill ... he was roughly 70000 times more competitive against Leonard and Hearns as Trinidad was in his losses

 

Benitez was dominated by Hearns and SRL. I’d heard they were good matches and I was disappointed by how one sided they were.

I’m glad you enjoyed Gomez effort as he got ktfo... . Trinidad’s only relevant loss was to Hopkins so I don’t why you keep talking about losses. If you’re going to bring up Wright you have to bring up the journeyman that knocked Gomez out at the end of his career.

Trinidad being the longest reigning welter ever and Hopkins being one of the longest reigning middles ever emphasizes the size difference. Gomez jumped a few pounds and got ktfo by the best guys he faced, then he regrouped and tried again against lesser fighters.

 

That above post is fucking mind boggling.

Gomez was considered a pocket version of Duran in the late 70s.

Benitez was touted as the second coming of fucking RAY ROBINSON by some when he was only 18.

How in the world were these guys seen as "second best"????

 

Perhaps Terp means that Gomez and Benitez didn't have the benefit of an HBO hype machine overrating them.

 

After they got beat up by Leonard, Hearns, Sanchez and Nelson they were “second best” and the guys that beat them became “the story”. Trinidad was “the story” for his entire career.

 

HBO hype pails in comparison to Wide World of Sports nostalgia.

 

Ohhh cut the shit. Trinidad didn't become the true "story" until after the Oscar fight.

Throughout the 90s, there was never any talks of him being greater than Gomez and Benitez.

 

I'm pretty surprised that as the biggest lower weight fan on the forum, that you wouldn't have more appreciation for how good Gomez was.