Can't believe Cloud is letting flehsy and chinny Zuniga last all through nine rounds so far. Way to make a statement *rolls eyes*
Irish has the sig because it's a big white man showing his dominance over a darkie papa, not because he likes Danny ::
Ray Austin must be friends wilth Randall Bailey and John Ruiz. He just tried to combine their special moves.
Name me a fight where Solis has had problems with his stamina, speed or whatever it is you think that the fat affects.
Against Harry Duiven Jr., who was stopped by a shot Timo Hoffmann in two. Julius Long, who was stopped by Fraudley in two, and Fields in three. Ray Austin, who was stopped by the first punch Wladimir threw. Furthermore in his lackluster performances against Welliver, Salif and Colliander. He has some lame performances against some truly awful big guys, that an in shape Olympic gold medalist should waste in 2-3 rounds. Did he struggle badly to beat them? Not literally. Did he give any indication, that he´ll do better against Vitali than a JC Gomez, Peter, Arreola, or Kirk Johnson? Not as long as Vitali doesn´t age 15 years till March.
But since Solis has good and bad performances in every other fight despite being fat all the time, doesn't that prove that the fat is not the deciding factor? Thus your answer was not necessarily a correct one, which I pointed out. Shannon Briggs had plenty of bad performances even though he looked as hot as they come.
Solis had good performances? Monte Barrett is the closest he has had to a good performance. He always struggles to get his big body into motion. He cannot close the distance quickly even against the poorest of fighters, which means no sustained attack.
No offense my man.....I love you muchly but Im not even getting into this. Two things I hate ferociously - thinking about fat heavyweights and being made to explain the bleeding obvious. Footspeed, balance & heart are generally the 3 biggest casualties when a guy is grossly out of shape. Solis hasn't been in a position where he has to dig deep yet but you can see how slow on his feet he is and the difficulty he has throwing multiple shots against a moving target already. This is a guy with elite talent who's basically been reduced to an average contender. If Mike Tyson had been 260lb nobody would give a fuck he existed by now.
No offense either but I think these are myths. The only thing which being fat could affect is the stamina, but until we see signs of that there is no reason to worry because as we have seen, hot guys can have stamina issues too. Footspeed is not affected: naturally a fat guy won't fight like Ali, but some fat athletes (such as weight lifters, American football players and shot putters) are among the most explosive in the world, they can close the distance very quickly. Heart is not a physical issue at all. So being fat perhaps narrows down the tactics a fighter can choose and it could be a sign of weak motivation (but not necessarily even that), but as long as a fighter is winning his fights, it is a non-issue. Had Tyson been 260 and done the same career, he would still be noted I think
Foot speed is effected MASSIVELY. So is balance. Im not even arguing this. Those points are so obvious they don't even warrant debate. Put on a 20lb weighted vest on and see how it effects your 40 meter dash time, your vertical jump, your performance on a timed agility test or any other measure of explosiveness & quickness. Shot put doesn't involve these things it's a shear measure of explosiveness against a weight like weight lifting. Tyson would NEVER have had the same career with 40lb of fat on him. I can't believe you would even debate this.
BTW, fat fighters almost always quit earlier whether mentally or explicitly and I've explained why - they aren't invested in the fight to the same extent. there's always a better tomorrow if you haven't trained properly. There's an in built excuse before the bell even rings. We've seen plenty of this in the last decade.
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So now you have proven that a cruiserweight fight has a faster pace than a heavyweight one and that Tyson, who btw has zero fat in the film, didn't have as much energy after the third round as he had before it, something which happened also in his prime.
First of all Tyson was carrying at least 10lb of excess fat against Neilson. Check the weigh in pics, I remember them well because I used to pencil draw regularly and I drew that stare down. He wasn't fat in any way apart from fat relative to himself. The vids I put up were the 2nd round vs the 3rd, only because a video starting at the 2nd round of the Neilson fight wasn't available. Watch any part of the fight, if you please, his foot speed and balance was appalling. Stop being a facetious smart arse. Secondly, guys like prime Lewis & the Klits are NOT slow at 240lb+ because thats their natural, fighting fit weight and they aren't being weighed down by flub. This isn't a simple matter of weight class. If you wanna put up a comparison vid of Wlad's footspeed at a fit 250lb and Solis at a jiggly 260 it'll stand nearly as well to illustrate my point.
Actually, a lot of the sigs I have had were sort of obliquely relevant to the sport of boxing, and this one is too. It has more to do with what Roy Jones said about "never in the same sentence" Klitschko, as it has to do with what Klitschko did to Williams, who is a fairly decent sort, and light years ahead of Chisora, Haye etc as a person and as a fighter.
Sounds like somebody had money on the fight, with that kind of scoring. Germany....it's the Anti-Carbone, the Anti-Don King. It takes things to the other extreme. Rather than rip the fighters off and work them to the bone, it spoils them and pampers them. It provides everything the fighter needs except initiative. It's why the Klitschkos left Germany.
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Even with his expanded waist, I think Solis will end up being a better opponent than those listed. My expectation is this is the fight where people start saying Vitali looks "old". He's already pretty old in boxing years, and he's shown his advanced age since his first fight back, but I think Solis will show more of it than some of the other opponents he's been in with.
Good article here http://www.suite101.com/content/cub...s-title-shot-against-vitali-klitschko-a322614
I couldn't believe when I saw that. So basically had the 10th round been scored, Austin - losing a point in the round - would've still had a shot at a draw. Insane. I forget my scorecard, but don't remember giving Austin any more than four rounds, which would've had him down by at least 3 pts going into the 11th (had the 10th been scored).
I don't know if UK wants my support, but I don't think weight/fat really effect that much except stamina, either. And for a lot (LOT) of fighters, excess fat doesn't even affect that in the context of a boxing match. James Toney, Holmes, Tubbs, Rahman, Foreman, Mathis Jr....I can name fat guy after fat guy who never have any problems with stamina. Heavyweights are different than other weight classes where the excess weight can and does often make a difference. With heavies, it's sort of a crap shoot.
