Official MAYWEATHER vs. CANELO Thread...

So glad I didn't lose sleep over this one, literally or figuratively. Alvarez, another clueless bum. Good win for Garcia though, its probably time to start cleaning out a pfp spot for him, he has those big wins.

 

Oh, has Vitali already retired? Ward can box a bit too.

 

Why not? When has he ever shown a damned thing, like major league power, or true, classic volume? Everytime I saw him he was huffing and puffing and looked like he needed to sit down for a few hours. I knew the fight was a farce from day one, that we would have all of this functional weight advantage and "oh my God Canelo a Giant" but its baloney. Floyd is very good, sure, but Canelo is a bag. A heavy bag. He's probably not as good as Oba Carr/ Who is the youngest, best, fresh fighter that Alvarez has dominated?

Old Mosley, the guys that Canelo was beating to prove he was ready for Floyd, probably gave Floyd a harder fight. Old Cotto likewise. Cotto, who lost to Trout, gave Floyd a harder fight. Cotto with a major, illegal beating under his belt, had more for Floyd.

None of this surprises me in the least. The way people should be looking at this fight is that there is nobody out there at these {artificial} weights to test Floyd, and that his besting Canelo tells us a lot more about Canelo in particular and boxing in general, than it does about Floyd.

 

This.

However, take a gigantic media machine and some slick producing {The Nazi's were at it 70 years ago} and you can turn the most unfeasible nonsense into an overnight viability.

 

No, that only happens when HW's come to Germany. They don't try maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

 

i would like to see a rematch, i think a rematch would be a better fight and garcia would trade more.

danny will likely take the floyd payday though. i have no interest in floyd vs garcia, come to think of it i have no interest in floyd vs anybody right now.

 

this year has been full of competitive match ups. floyd vs anybody isn't competitive at all. i figured canelo had enough talent to give floyd hell and he was shadow boxing all night. canelo would beat anybody else at 154.

 

cool. have fun watching something else.

 

2 fighters that hbo don't even want to put on the air.

 

The Cotto fight is the reason why I thought the Ging would be more competitive. I overrated Canelo, and assumed he was at least on the same level as a faded Cotto.

 

Years ago, I watched what I would regard as a fairly average-good fighter in Wayne McCullough win the WBC bantam title and I think in that fight he threw 122 punches in one round. Vitali can do 70, or used to before he turned 40 years old. That's proper true volume. This guy canelo, its flurry, take a break, flurry, catch his breath, flurry, sit down for a rest. He looks fucked after a few rounds in fights he is dominating. He got past Trout with the knockdown. Somebody said it in this thread, Chavez {I refuse to call him Senior, there is only one Chavez} would have been eating shots but getting his own in too. Alvarez seemed to me, clueless. That's my biggest reservation, it's almost forgiveable to have shitty stamina or no power or whatever, but, the more I read and the more I see, it appears to me that worst of all, he simply didn't have a fucking clue.

 

HBO is stupid.

 

Yeah, you are correct on all counts with this post.

I thought Trout was slightly besting him prior to the KD. Even WITH the KD, it a FAAARRR closer fight that the Canelo-nut licking broadcast made it out to be. I think Canelo won 7-5, but you can make a case for 6-6, with the KD barely giving Canelo the win.

But you are on point about his spurt fighting. I always did notice that, but I should have put more emphasis on it going into this fight.

He might not even be the second best junior middle in the world. I'd still pick Lara to beat him.

Granted, Lara is no Floyd in terms of skill and intelligence, BUT he's an accurate lefty, and he hits a lot harder than Trout.

 

In every fighter I look at, I look for one of two things. A. Do they have all round skills and a good tank, chin, etc. B. Do they have any one particular special skill which is so manifest as to set off any flaws.

I think Canelo fails both those tests. He is fundamentally sound, but does not have gears he can go through, and he is no big puncher, no speed merchant either. I am not sure he could have beaten the likes of Harry Simon etc.

Tito would have taken guys like Rhodes, Hatton, old Mosley etc out in a few rounds. Fuck it, Vernon "The Avoidable" Forrest almost took Shane out in the 2nd.

 

Well, in regards to Tito, we ALL knew he was never on that level.

Tito had rare power that Canelo simply doesn't have. And even going beyond power, Tito's skill level was miles above Canelo's.

It speaks volumes of how SHOT Shane was that he lost to Canelo.

It wouldn't even take a prime Mosley to beat Canelo. The Mosley of the Margarito fight would have battered Canelo. But Shane fell off THAT hard in the 3 years between beating Marg, and fighting Canelo.

 

Floyd is fucking good, but he did not win every round, not clearly anyways. In several early rounds (first and third for example) he assumed that posing and slipping punches is enough to capture a round. Alvarez won zero rounds clearly, but it is not the same as that Floyd took them all. Whenever Floyd picked up the pace, he dominated and draw card was ridiculous of course.

 

Tito's skills were far better but his footwork was even worse than Canelo's. Trinidad needed to set up for two seconds before he could fire at all, Canelo is the more fluid.

Toto would have beaten Alvarez for sure, but Winky would have not shut out Canelo, in fact it would have been a very close fight. Styles

 

Oh yeah, he fought a tactically inept fight. But that doesn't mean he choked; he just got his tactics completely wrong.

MTF

 

The annoying thing about the boxing doomsdayer's is that they must keep inserting their bullshit in every way possible. As you said, just fuck off and go Watch something else, we don't need a discussion about how boxing sucks right now after every big fights.

BTW, I'd like to know in wich era fighter'S like Floyd were common. It seems to be the popular cliche right now but I personnaly just don't see it. As I see it, with Floyd popularity, there's probably more fighters coming up fighting with this style right now than in any moment in the sport.

 

I agree, Canelo made it midly competitive, mostly because Floyd took a lot of rounds off. Still, can't see him winning more than 4 rounds in any way.

 

Floyd landed more punches in 1 and 3, I thought he won those clearly. The only rounds I could maybe see giving Alvarez were rounds 10 and 12. But as you say, there isn't one round he won clearly.

 

Agreed. I thought a few rounds were closer than some here were scoring, and I can see why Canelo won some rounds despite never really having a 'big' round. The 114-all card was scandalous, though.

MTF

 

Btw I have to say I told you guys Alvarez's weight wouldn't mean a damn thing. He outweighed Floyd by a whole stone and it made no difference at all.

It was useless weight. He has fat legs, and a thick body. Ultimately though he was just a plodding 5'7 fighter with fat legs getting picked apart ::

He couldn't touch Floyd and is a natural counterpuncher, patient, not a rough, aggressive fighter where the weight could have made more difference.

It probably helped him absorb the shots better but that's about it.

 

MTF

 

canelo would whup cottos ass.

 

you are really underating canelo now. neither tito or shane have floyds defence. canelo would land a lot on tito or shane.

 

Where would you guys place Garcia in your P4P list?

 

Canelo would beat Cotto at this stage. I'm just saying that he doesn't have Cotto's skill level, which is the reason why Cotto gave Floyd a competitive fight.

Make no mistake, a prime Cotto kicks Canelo's ass.

 

Prime versions of Tito and Shane? LMAO! Canelo wouldn't last 6 w/either one. That's not underrated him at all. No way in Hell he copes with the firepower of a prime Tito, and the handspeed and power of a prime Mosley.

Canelo is a GOOD fighter, nothing more. He's not on the level of Vargas, let alone Tito/Shane.

 

He wouldn't get the chance to really let his hands go against either guy.

Mosley at his best was simply too fast and relentless for Canelo who doesn't really have a high work rate. He would just take a prolonged beating from Shane.

Tito was just too big, too powerful, and too skilled offensively for Canelo. Tito would get home with the left hook and uppercuts inside and Canelo would just be overpowered. There's a very good chance he wouldn't make it out of the early rounds with Trinidad.