ON!!!! Robert Helenius vs Sam Peter

Well, if you look at it like that then..........Helenius should go to the UK and ask for a fight with Tyson Fury.

 

Man,beautiful KO. Might be the best one so far this year.

 

Helenius showed some D, he rolled the right as he tried his own hook.

 

Nice shot

 

WHO NEX? WHO NEX?

 

Only the second Helenius fight i've seen but he does seem to generate a lot of power on shots without having to use full extension. Obviously Peter is done however it takes some good pop to knock a 260 pound guy on his ass with short punches.

 

Well I guess that means Helenius is a top 10 heavyweight already. Fight with Dimitrenko for the European title would make a lot of sense for both.

 

Probably. Grant might also be an option.

 

I want Dimitrenko defeated.

 

Those lefts were no joke. He could be the next Gerry Cooney. Tall, left-hooker who takes on jaded but big-name opponents.



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Truth be told, I think big Rob hits harder than Haye.

Haye has respectable power, but his power is overrated, he's not the massive puncher people seem to think at heavyweight.

Big Rob doesn't seem much worse than most other top 10 heavies, and at least he can punch.

 

1. Finns, at least the males, are an ugly species.

2. This kid is the love-child of Lou-Dibella and Peter Stormare.

3. He can punch. He might not have much more, but he can punch.

 

Difficult to tell. Haye did however wobble Valuev with the only left hook he committed to, downed Ruiz with a single shot and knocked around Barret. He might not be the most powerful but with that speed and accuracy he is effective

 

:nono:

 

This "Haye hurt Valuev" is the greatest crock of crap. The way I see it is that Hayes fist/wrist hit Valuev in the neck and caused him to wobble a bit.

Barrett....man.....Barrett fell over getting into the ring.

Ruiz had been floored twice by Golota. An ancient no-left-arm Golota.

I won't disagree- Haye is effective with the speed and accuracy but the guys he was stopping were well shy of their primes and it still took him a combined 14 rounds to get rid of Ruiz and Barrett.

 

Well yes, those are the heavyweight fights Haye has had (along with Bonin and Audley) and even if they don't prove that he is a big puncher, they don't prove otherwise either, that's why it is questionable

 

I'm still not sold on Haye being a big puncher at heavy.

 

I guess the truism is.....true. All heavyweights can punch- just how hard, to what degree.......is a matter of opinion or conjecture.

A guy like Peter might have punched hard enough to take Wlad out....if he could land.

Haye might be able to land......leading people to conclude that he "hits harder"

A bomb that lands a mile away obviously does less damage than a smaller bomb which hits the target.

In a perfect world we would say Haye combines a lesser degree of power with a higher degree of accuracy and speed, whereas a guy like Peter would combine a greater degree of power with a lesser degree of accuracy and speed.

I don't think Haye is the 1-hitter-quitter that his fans make him out to be. He also throws a lot of rabbit blows.

 

Haye also has NO FUCKING IDEA how to set up attacks by jabbing his way in. He totally relies on his opponent drifting into his range and catching them by surprise. He couldn't even jab his way in against Audley for fucks sake, which is why I am 1000000000% convinced Wlad beats him up.

Anyway, back to Helenius. I've only seen this finish and his last fight on the Froch undercard, I like what I've seen, he's pretty good to be fair

 

This is correct, but if we approach it this way, then there is no point discussing who is the biggest puncher. Maybe it is Peter Simko: he might be the biggest puncher ever, he just punches slow, never lands and gets KOd before his fist ever reaches the opponent, that's why he has never KOd anyone.

Usually when people discuss about the 'biggest puncher', it means the 'most effective puncher' all things considered. In that way, Haye seems to be the bigger puncher compared to Peter

 

Peter is probably pound for pound the harder puncher, but Haye is the more dangerous puncher

 

I have seen plenty of his amateur fights in addition to the 11 out of 15 of his pro bouts. Most times he has had trouble it has been against slick skillful guys

 

Well he's had 5 fights at the weight, 4 legit KO's in which he hurt his opponents pretty much every time he landed clean. The other fight was against a 320lb walking deformity with a 3" Klingon head piece skull.

I don't think it's in doubt that he can punch a bit at heavy.

 

Yep

 

That is a pretty good analysis on David's style; which is why I think he has a fair shot at putting Wlad's lights out.

Haye needs to let that big guy come into him and into the range of his heavy right, not the other way around.

 

To me there's a difference between being a "big puncher" and a guy that can "punch a bit". It's not like I said the guy was a feather-fist.

If you're gonna dispute me, at least dispute what I actually said instead of something that I didn't.

AND...I don't see anything wrong with his assessment of Haye's heavy opposition.

 

Are there some fights/moments of fights in particular that make you suspicious that Haye isn't a big puncher? Or is it that there is not enough proof so far?

 

"Slick skillful Guys" is a euphemism for "talented fighters".

That said Helenius might just have the best 15-0 record of any heavyweight contender for some time, you could throw Povetkin in there too.

 

For me, the Ruiz fight would suggest he is not this massive hitter people think he is. He dropped Ruiz and then bashed him in the back of the head, but it was 3, 4 rounds later before he had him in any more trouble.

In fact, Haye was dropped by Ruiz at the end of the first, which would suggest Ruiz had actually recovered enough to mount an assault of is own.

Ruiz is , a la Haye, a former Cruiser, a former 190lbr at that.

 

Not quite. As an amateur Helenius often had difficulties with jab and move guys but it was difficult to beat him by giving constant pressure. Fres Oquendo might trouble him more than Chris Arreola